From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/41669 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mailing lists and news archiving Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:07:29 +0100 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87lmfc8qem.fsf@lackawana.kippona.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035177030 7427 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:10:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 28929 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 09:08:47 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 09:08:47 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16N9I9-0002i7-00; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:08:33 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:08:24 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA19091 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 03:08:11 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 28496 invoked by alias); 6 Jan 2002 09:08:13 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 28486 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 09:08:12 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (HELO quimby2.netfonds.no) (195.204.10.66) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 09:08:12 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby2.netfonds.no with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16N9J0-0006xx-00 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:09:26 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: quimbies.gnus.org Original-X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1010308166 26513 195.204.10.148 (6 Jan 2002 09:09:26 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2002 09:09:26 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Hrvatski's _Oiseaux 96-98_: "Ghatham" User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.4 (Copyleft, i386-debian-linux) X-Face: 1s4$8)[)Y\S<.E#pSzN&W7MvI?0G&{?.GEr!K7XvPn`d!G@yxDK'~ulWFHte(9L^Mc1>/WB [8jJu,u<$oJi9CbF\.yWy$UG>`iaQ&{Rq_Q;Wq:OkN/LO{.o$h2Gb7;BKhYXZqPP&uFI,Xd5+GI.5H ]!>V%\5N1$k&NYsLeA5epb}PA)Hx/VbhO1_w4Kz6Ey9WSZzDJ[uMvu:i*QC@m(J'S[w0R5Tz_W/m2A qk'sHsy-:FU.nCNev3yBwB@yG 9-H*oV Cancel-Lock: sha1:fI0mzonAFq7GZ4BWdzmBteuOPyo= Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41669 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41669 Russ Allbery writes: > I'd also be happy to peer for feeds, and I can give some pointers on how > to send control messages and the like. Cool. >> Maybe Russ or somebody with deja-news.com experience can shed light on >> these issues. > > Here are some things to think about: > > * Spammers troll Usenet for addresses aggressively, perhaps more so than > with the web and definitely more than with mailing lists. It's quite > possible that when a mailing list is gated to Usenet, the spam load of > the participants will increase. At least, some people will worry about > that and complain. Right. > * Most mailing lists actually are gated out there somewhere in some > poorly distributed hierarchy. There really needs to be some sort of > central, organized hierarchy for gating mailing lists, but in the > interim you can't really get away with using the mailing list message > IDs since invariably you'll collide with some other gateway and you'll > only see some of the messages. That means assigning new message IDs > to each message as you gate it, and that means rewriting References so > that threading still works. Ick. Can't all the other mailing list gateways rewrite their Message-IDs so that we can keep ours? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen