From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/53696 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matthias Andree Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: documentation of gnus-article-treat-dumbquotes outdated? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:12:36 +0200 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87znigdhpa.fsf@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1060722803 15856 80.91.224.253 (12 Aug 2003 21:13:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M2240@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Aug 12 23:13:21 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19mgSH-0003bu-00 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:13:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19mgRq-0002qV-00; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:12:54 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19mgRi-0002qN-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:12:46 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 91700 invoked by alias); 12 Aug 2003 21:12:46 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 91695 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 21:12:45 -0000 Original-Received: from pd9e1e128.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO m2a2.dyndns.org) (?Orjk/NbxNs9HZiDSu+lYnujGbGomUTHL?@217.225.225.40) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 21:12:45 -0000 Original-Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id F334992F11; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:12:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Reiner Steib's message of "Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:09:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53696 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53696 Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: > [ taking this issue from bugs@gnus.org to ding ] > > On Tue, Aug 12 2003, Dan Jacobson wrote: > | Newsgroups: gnus.gnus-bug > | Date: Tue Aug 12 06:09:50 2003 +0200 > | Message-ID: <87ptjb7bzl.fsf@jidanni.org> > >> gnus-article-treat-dumbquotes docstring doesn't mention it can fix the >> Euro symbol too... > > I agree with Dan that the doc-string should mention that it also > covers not only quotations, but also other characters (EUR, ...). > I would like to fix the doc-string and the manual entry. It seems to > me that nowadays, the manual entry is not accurate anymore: Well, this function should also get a name that's not so easy to get wrong. The dumbquotes stuff aims to fix misdeclared characters (outside the declared character set), so it deals with quote MARKS -- but Microsoft software also gets indenting quotation wrong. So how about renaming that to gnus-article-treat-quotemarks and=20 > - What does "unilateral extension to the character map" mean? Which > character map? Latin1 (=3D iso-8859-1)? This is irrelevant. Elide it. > - We should mention \200 (-> EUR), as it's probably the most frequent > `dumb-quote' now (at least in Europe). Speaking of Europe and the Euro zone: Does Greek suffer from the same problem in real life, i. e. ISO-8859-7 misdeclared for Windows-1253 content? 1253 also has the Euro sign (=A4) at \200 =3D \x80. Microsoft on this, in their Euro FAQ: "Q What is the symbol's Windows codepage location? A The symbol has been added to the following codepages at position '0x80'; 1250 Eastern European, 1252 Western, 1253 Greek, 1254 Turkish, 1257 Baltic, 1255 Hebrew, 1256 Arabic, 1258 Vietnamese, 874 Thai. In 1251 Cyrillic the symbol will be added at position '0x88'. Other codepages are controlled by governments or standards bodies. Microsoft is working with these organizations on the placement of the euro." (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/faq/faq12.htm) > - I guess most (or all?) chars from `gnus-article-dumbquotes-map' are > `windows-1252' characters, not present in Latin-1. `windows-1252' > is a registered[1] charset. So the real problem is that some > Windows clients send `windows-1252' labeled as `iso-8859-1'. True for anything misdeclared I've found so far. --=20 Matthias Andree