From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/45787 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: B DEL is being treated as expiry? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:16:06 -0400 Organization: What did you have in mind? A short, blunt, human pyramid? Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1027441006 13927 127.0.0.1 (23 Jul 2002 16:16:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17X2L6-0003cW-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:16:45 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17X2Kn-0003PN-00; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:16:25 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:16:50 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21491 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:16:39 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 3131 invoked by alias); 23 Jul 2002 16:16:09 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 3126 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 16:16:09 -0000 Original-Received: from multivac.student.cwru.edu (HELO multivac.cwru.edu) (@129.22.96.25) by gnus.org with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 16:16:09 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 1325 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jul 2002 16:16:29 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Karl Kleinpaste's message of "Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:03:44 -0400") Mail-Copies-To: nobody Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45787 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45787 Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Gro=DFjohann) writes: >> The current situation is better than before Nevin's change, > > No, it isn't, because it used to be the case that when I said, "delete > this," *it was deleted*. That's only because you don't set the nnmail-expiry-target variable. If you did, this would have been already broken before the change. B DEL has obeyed n-e-t for a long time, and now it obeys expiry-target parameters for consistency. This way, the problem annoys *everyone*, and so it gets fixed sooner. See how that's better? :) > At the very least, the change which induced expiry should be reverted > so that we get deletions back. I don't think that would be an improvement now. We want both functions available (delete immediately/expire immediately), right? So how shall we express this in the backend interface? Right now, there's just one "force" argument to nnchoke-request-expire-articles. Should we just pass different values there to get expiry/deletion? Or would we ever want deletion without immediacy? I.e., operate on only the "old enough" articles, but delete them instead of expiring them? If we want that, we'd probably have to add another argument; "force" could indicate immediacy, and "mode" could indicate expiry vs. deletion. paul