Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

I'm probably the last person on the planet that's downloaded Emacs 21,
and it looks pretty spiffy.

But what I'm wondering is where all the smiling faces in etc/smilies
have disappeared off to.  I like the great smiling variation that was
there, and now there are only three left...

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
   Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:52:58 +0200

Hi,

   > I'm probably the last person on the planet that's downloaded Emacs 21,
   > and it looks pretty spiffy.
   > 
   > But what I'm wondering is where all the smiling faces in etc/smilies
   > have disappeared off to.  I like the great smiling variation that was
   > there, and now there are only three left...

T hink there is a problem that smilies that are used in XEmacs do not have
papers so Dave Love and me were both trying ro reach the original author
without success. Although I use this patch which allow me to use XEmacs
smilies even when in 21:

diff -urN emacs-21.0.104.orig/lisp/gnus/smiley-ems.el emacs-21.0.104/lisp/gnus/smiley-ems.el
--- emacs-21.0.104.orig/lisp/gnus/smiley-ems.el	Wed May 16 00:29:15 2001
+++ emacs-21.0.104/lisp/gnus/smiley-ems.el	Wed May 16 00:39:56 2001
@@ -30,7 +30,9 @@
 ;; I'm not sure we need that degree of rococoness and defaults like a
 ;; yellow background.  Also, using PBM means we can display the images
 ;; more generally.  -- fx
-
+;; OK, but I'd like to see original XEmacs smileys, so I changed this
+;; file a little bit.
+;;
 ;;; Test smileys:  :-) :-\ :-( :-/
 
 ;;; Code:
@@ -52,12 +54,26 @@
 ;; The XEmacs version has a baroque, if not rococo, set of these.
 (defcustom smiley-regexp-alist
   ;; Perhaps :-) should be distinct -- it does appear in the Jargon File.
-  '(("\\([:;]-?)\\)\\(\\W\\|\\'\\)" 1 "smile.pbm")
-    ("\\(:-[/\\]\\)\\(\\W\\|\\'\\)" 1 "wry.pbm")
-    ("\\(:-[({]\\)\\(\\W\\|\\'\\)" 1 "frown.pbm"))
+  '(("\\(:-*[<Ť]+\\)\\W" 1 "FaceAngry.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-+\\]+\\)\\W" 1 "FaceGoofy.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*D\\)\\W" 1 "FaceGrinning.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*[)>}ť]+\\)\\W" 1 "FaceHappy.xpm")
+    ("\\(=[)ť]+\\)\\W" 1 "FaceHappy.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*[/\\\"]\\)[^/]\\W" 1 "FaceIronic.xpm")
+    ("[^.0-9]\\([8|]-*[|Oo%]\\)\\W" 1 "FaceKOed.xpm")
+    ("\\([:|]-*#+\\)\\W" 1 "FaceNyah.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*[({]+\\)\\W" 1 "FaceSad.xpm")
+    ("\\(=[({]+\\)\\W" 1 "FaceSad.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*[Oo\*]\\)\\W" 1 "FaceStartled.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*|\\)\\W" 1 "FaceStraight.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*p\\)\\W" 1 "FaceTalking.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*d\\)\\W" 1 "FaceTasty.xpm")
+    ("\\(;-*[>)}ť]+\\)\\W" 1 "FaceWinking.xpm")
+    ("\\(:-*[Vvľ]\\)\\W" 1 "FaceWry.xpm")
+    ("\\([:|]-*P\\)\\W" 1 "FaceYukky.xpm"))
   "*A list of regexps to map smilies to images.
 The elements are (REGEXP MATCH FILE), where MATCH is the submatch in
-rgexp to replace with IMAGE.  IMAGE is the name of a PBM file in
+rgexp to replace with IMAGE.  IMAGE is the name of a XPM file in
 `smiley-data-directory' or the normal image search path."
   :type '(repeat (list regexp
 		       (integer :tag "Regexp match number")
@@ -73,7 +89,7 @@
 (defun smiley-update-cache ()
   (dolist (elt smiley-regexp-alist)
     (let* ((data-directory smiley-data-directory)
-	   (image (find-image (list (list :type 'pbm
+	   (image (find-image (list (list :type 'xpm
 					  :file (nth 2 elt)
 					  :ascent 'center)))))
       (if image

Enjoy!
-- 
Pavel Janík

Deletion of Windows:
         Deleting a window means eliminating it from the screen.
                  -- An unknown author in GNU Emacs 21 manual

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel Janík) writes:

> T hink there is a problem that smilies that are used in XEmacs do not have
> papers so Dave Love and me were both trying ro reach the original author
> without success.

Oh.  Hm...  wasn't Wes the original author?  *looks at the code*  Yes,
he was.  Didn't he do the smiley faces?  Or did I?  I don't think I
did, but I distinctly remember editing them...  I think it was I who
added the circle around the faces.  And I changed the colors a bit.
And I might have made the background transparent.  :-)

Anyway, if paperwork is impossible to come by, could someone who likes
fiddling around in The Gimp (or whatever) create some new faces?
12x12 images that should express the following emotions:

angry, goofy, grinning, happy, ironic, knocked out, nyah, sad,
startled, ambivalent, non-emotional, talking, tasty, winking, wry,
yucky.

Calling all artists!  (Who don't mind paperwork.)

I guess these days the images could be more than 4-color bitmaps.  The
could be shaded and everything.  Go wild!  But put a black border
around the face so that the image can be displayed on any background
without any ill effects.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Harry Putnam]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> angry, goofy, grinning, happy, ironic, knocked out, nyah, sad,
> startled, ambivalent, non-emotional, talking, tasty, winking, wry,
> yucky.

add dumb .. he he.

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
   Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 00:11:31 +0200

Hi,

   > Oh.  Hm...  wasn't Wes the original author?  *looks at the code*  Yes,
   > he was.  Didn't he do the smiley faces?  Or did I?  I don't think I
   > did, but I distinctly remember editing them...  I think it was I who
   > added the circle around the faces.  And I changed the colors a bit.
   > And I might have made the background transparent.  :-)

we thought that the original author is Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu>.

   > could be shaded and everything.  Go wild!  But put a black border
   > around the face so that the image can be displayed on any background
   > without any ill effects.

Black border? Ie. square face ?! ;-)
-- 
Pavel Janík

I'm glad I'm not as fat and slow running as Emacs (20)...
                  -- Lars G. T. Jorgensen in gnu.emacs.help

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel Janík) writes:

> we thought that the original author is Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu>.

Ah.  Hmm...  *greps through mail*

>    > could be shaded and everything.  Go wild!  But put a black border
>    > around the face so that the image can be displayed on any background
>    > without any ill effects.
>
> Black border? Ie. square face ?! ;-)

No -- just a black one-pixel circle around the face...

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel Janík) writes:

> we thought that the original author is Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu>.

Indeed -- he's the author.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
   Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:25:22 +0200

Hi,

   > > we thought that the original author is Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu>.
   > 
   > Indeed -- he's the author.

I think it would be good if we try to find him, because current smilies are
really nice and people are used to them (XEmacs). What do you think?Is
there anyone who know him or have his contact?

BTW - Lars, what happened to you? I can not remember seeing so many (even
fast response) e-mails from you :-)
-- 
Pavel Janík

panic("CPU too expensive - making holiday in the ANDES!");
                  -- 2.2.16 arch/mips/kernel/traps.c

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel Janík) writes:

> I think it would be good if we try to find him, because current smilies are
> really nice and people are used to them (XEmacs). What do you think?Is
> there anyone who know him or have his contact?

They are indeed very nice, and if there are no takers on the new
smiley front (with extended palette), then I think I'll try to find
him (again).

> BTW - Lars, what happened to you? I can not remember seeing so many (even
> fast response) e-mails from you :-)

Uhm, er...  :-)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

I've just gotten a reply from Joe Reiss (the creator of the smiley
images), and he's fine with putting the smilies into public domain, so
I'll get on the paperwork with him and reinstate the smilies into the
distribution.

:-)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
   Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:07:11 +0200

Hi Lars,

   > I've just gotten a reply from Joe Reiss (the creator of the smiley
   > images), and he's fine with putting the smilies into public domain, so
   > I'll get on the paperwork with him and reinstate the smilies into the
   > distribution.

I'm really impressed. Thank you, Lars.
-- 
Pavel Janík

panic("sun_82072_fd_inb: How did I get here?");
                  -- 2.2.16 include/asm-sparc/floppy.h

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Wes Hardaker]

>>>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 00:11:31 +0200, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:

Lars> Oh.  Hm...  wasn't Wes the original author?  *looks at the code*  Yes,
Lars> he was.  Didn't he do the smiley faces?  Or did I?  I don't think I
Lars> did, but I distinctly remember editing them...  I think it was I who
Lars> added the circle around the faces.  And I changed the colors a bit.
Lars> And I might have made the background transparent.  :-)

I grabbed the initial smilies from somewhere else on the net, and then
I think someone else may have put in new ones at some point that were
created specifically for the package...

Lars> Anyway, if paperwork is impossible to come by, could someone who likes
Lars> fiddling around in The Gimp (or whatever) create some new faces?

If you do some serious searching of the ding archives you might come
across the original source of the current files.

-- 
"Ninjas aren't dangerous.  They're more afraid of you than you are of them."

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Wes Hardaker]

>>>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:31:18 -0700, Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> said:

Lars> Anyway, if paperwork is impossible to come by, could someone who likes
Lars> fiddling around in The Gimp (or whatever) create some new faces?

Wes> If you do some serious searching of the ding archives you might come
Wes> across the original source of the current files.

Ok, I should have finished reading the thread before suggesting
something that had already been done.  Sorry...
-- 
"Ninjas aren't dangerous.  They're more afraid of you than you are of them."

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Dave Love]

>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

 LMI> I guess these days the images could be more than 4-color
 LMI> bitmaps.  

We made some effort to minimize the colour use of Emacs 21 pixmaps
because the people doing the work were using 8-bit displays.  There
was also a policy to provide PBM as an alternative to XPM for systems
without XPM support or monochrome displays (yes, handa had one).

Re: Where Have All The Smileys Gone?

[Dave Love]

>>>>> "PJ" == Pavel Janík <Pavel@Janik.cz> writes:

 >> But what I'm wondering is where all the smiling faces in etc/smilies
 >> have disappeared off to.  

They were never there…  I re-wrote everything.

 PJ>  ;; I'm not sure we need that degree of rococoness and defaults like a
 PJ>  ;; yellow background.  Also, using PBM means we can display the images
 PJ>  ;; more generally.  -- fx
 PJ> -
 PJ> +;; OK, but I'd like to see original XEmacs smileys, so I changed this
 PJ> +;; file a little bit.

Well, I stand by what I wrote, and more.

Composing to `☺' and `☹' suits me better.  One can press `☻' into
service in lieu of the unfortunately missing WHITE WRY FACE.

I'd urge people to spend time on something less frivolous; there must
be plenty of good possibilities.  I did the implementation as a
demo/test and it's already consumed too much effort.