From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/36458 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry Fishman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Sender header? Date: 26 May 2001 13:02:51 -0400 Organization: Gnus Information Center Message-ID: References: <01May23.141128edt.115245@gateway.intersys.com> <01May24.115917edt.115250@gateway.intersys.com> <01May24.143521edt.115214@gateway.intersys.com> <01May24.153439edt.115213@gateway.intersys.com> <01May24.163305edt.115259@gateway.intersys.com> <01May24.172056edt.115272@gateway.intersys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035172039 8708 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:47:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 3003 invoked by alias); 26 May 2001 17:03:54 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 2998 invoked from network); 26 May 2001 17:03:53 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (195.204.10.139) by gnus.org with SMTP; 26 May 2001 17:03:53 -0000 Original-Received: (from news@localhost) by quimby.gnus.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31961 for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 19:03:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.17.28 Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 990810218 15528 12.78.17.28 (25 May 2001 17:03:38 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 2001 17:03:38 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/20.7 Original-Lines: 96 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:36458 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:36458 Thanks for all the help. Since I don't know how to respond to multiple useful messages at the same time I'll try. I think this is important since there must be a many users that are comming in via ppp phone connections that consider only windows machines. I think the gnus manual should deal with it. I didn't find anything. Stainless Steel Rat on Thu, 26, May 2001 SSR> * Barry Fishman on Thu, 26 May 2001 SSR> | My login@fqdn is "barry@ecube.local". SSR> SSR> * snrk*. SSR> SSR> That is not a legal fqdn, or did someone create the "local" TLD when I SSR> blinked? :) I did! Internet domain setup on unix requires a domain name. Like most people I don't want to buy one. Rather than supply something that looks correct, but isn't, I use local, which I think is clear in meaning. I don't spend all my time connected through att.net. Even when I am connected, I am not sure what my A record would be. It does not show up in my PPP/PAP dialog. SSR> Given that att.net won't let you do things right, dumping it on them is SSR> probably not a bad thing to do. They've screwed it up so let them deal SSR> with it. I've tried that. The just use the @ecube.local which they got from my SMTP HELO, add their dommain and then the regular hashing. I finally decided to use a unique identifier (although not really a legal domain name, my e-mail address. It was just as unique and a lot shorter. Stealing the idea from: Harry Putnam writes: HP> I got hollered at on comp.editors for having a made up rhs of message HP> id which is somewhat related to this discussion. HP> HP> Describing another situation where it isn't really clear what I HP> should have for a From or sender address. HP> HP> Currently I've told gnus to stick my IP smtp server address in HP> Message-ID. And disabled sender generation. HP> HP> (defun message-make-fqdn () HP> "My hacked message-id." HP> "ptw.com") Here you are posing as another machine, A sane person would expect the Message-ID's to still be unique with all the hashing added. However, I'm a programmer and would want to at least make my fqdn unique and identifiable. Russ Allbery writes: RA> (setq message-syntax-checks '((sender . disabled))) RA> RA> has worked great for years. Hopefully it hasn't been broken in later RA> versions of Gnus. It should be the default. This seems better. Personally I think that "Sender:" is like "From:" and "ReplyTo:", chosen by person/agent sending the mail and not automaticlly produced. Defaults are nice, but if gnus wants too construct a "Sender:", it probably should be set to the person who wrote the elisp that constructs a sender. ;) Mail transport agents have their own fields to fill in if they don't like the from field. On 25 May 2001, Harry Putnam wrote: HP> Of the several choices presented, the one above looks like the only HP> operational one for me. Can someone remind me how to turn off local HP> message-id generation? Kai Grossjohann writes: KG> The variable message-syntax-checks ought to do the trick. Or you say KG> this: (setq message-required-news-headers (delete 'Message-ID KG> message-required-news-headers)) Until I can confirm a A record, I'll use the elisp: ;; I don't really have valid FQDN information so clean up header (setq message-syntax-checks '((sender . disabled))) (defun smtpmail-fqdn () "Supply a domain which is meaningful but wrong (my email address)" "barry_fishman.att.net") (defun message-make-fqdn () "Supply a unique root for message id" (smtpmail-fqdn)) I have Kai's removal of Message-ID commented out since I think gnus's Message-ID is much shorter. This seems to leave behind the most meaningful mail headers. Probably too meaningful if you which to avoid spam. Barry