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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: ding@gnus.org
Cc: yamaoka@jpl.org, sxemacs-devel@sxemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Moving Gnus development to Emacs?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:43:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3oad8rwkv.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)

(Excuse the crossposting.)

Back in the olden days, there were basically two reasons for doing the
Gnus development outside of Emacs: 1) Emacs was releasing very slowly,
and Gnus very fast, and 2) XEmacs was an important target for
development.

1) is not true any more.  And XEmacs isn't as vital as it used to be.

And the SXEmacs peeps just started maintaining their own Gnus repo,
which means that this might be a good opportunity to discontinue the
git.gnus.org repo and just continue development on the Emacs trunk
instead.

Emacs has developed rapidly during the last few years, and the
interfaces between Emacs, older versions of Emacs, and XEmacs are
growing more divergent.  This means that basically any change we do in
Gnus fails to build on all build targets.  And this, in turn, means that
any change we do in Gnus is 2x as much work as it should be, and this
leaves the code looking like an exercise in obfuscated programming.
Sometimes.  :-)

So: I want to know how all y'all would feel if I closed git.gnus.org and
started bringing the Gnus code base in the Emacs trunk up to modern
Emacs standards.  That would mean removing basically all compat code.

No more `mm-string-as-unibyte'.  No more `gnus-invisible-p'.  Freedom!

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




             reply	other threads:[~2015-12-30 11:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-30 11:43 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen [this message]
     [not found] ` <mailman.1827.1451475821.29210.sxemacs-devel-sxemacs.org@lists.sxemacs.org>
2015-12-30 14:33   ` Moving Gnus development to Emacs Steve Youngs
2015-12-30 15:15     ` Ivan Shmakov
2016-01-01 19:21     ` Steinar Bang
2016-01-02  3:28     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-30 16:33 ` Moving Gnus development to Emacs? raman
2015-12-30 19:05   ` Jay Belanger
2015-12-30 19:25     ` Nikolaus Rath
2015-12-31 17:40     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-31 18:35       ` Benjamin Slade
2015-12-30 18:44 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-31  0:46 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2015-12-31 13:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-31  9:18 ` Julien Danjou
2015-12-31  9:40 ` David Engster
2015-12-31 11:43   ` Michael Albinus
2015-12-31 12:29     ` CHENG Gao
2015-12-31 14:35       ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-12-31 14:52         ` CHENG Gao
2016-01-01  0:10           ` Xue Fuqiao
2016-01-01  7:02             ` CHENG Gao
2015-12-31 17:10   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-31 17:15     ` Adam Sjøgren
2016-01-02 17:39   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-02 20:31     ` Steinar Bang
2016-01-03 18:24     ` Bill Wohler
2016-01-04  0:48       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-04  1:05         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-04  3:47     ` Steve Youngs
2016-01-06  7:18       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-06  7:38         ` CHENG Gao
2016-01-06  8:50         ` Andreas Schwab
2016-01-25 15:07     ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-01-28 12:45     ` Greg Troxel
2015-12-31 10:15 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2015-12-31 17:43   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-01 21:43   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2015-12-31 17:04 ` Uwe Brauer
2016-01-18  7:26 gnus-summary-refer-parent-article bug Dave Abrahams
2016-01-18 12:43 ` Alan Schmitt
2016-01-18 15:47   ` Dave Abrahams
2016-01-19  0:25     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2016-01-19 15:59       ` Dave Abrahams
2016-01-19 22:10         ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2016-01-20 11:04           ` Alan Schmitt
2016-01-20 23:04             ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2016-01-21 10:21               ` Alan Schmitt
2016-01-22  2:37                 ` Moving Gnus development to Emacs? Katsumi Yamaoka
2016-01-22  7:53                   ` Alan Schmitt
2016-01-22  9:45                     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2016-01-22 11:28                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-24 23:35                         ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2016-01-25  1:58                           ` Mike Kupfer
2016-01-25  3:11                             ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2016-01-25 13:12                             ` Alan Schmitt
2016-01-22 12:25                       ` Alan Schmitt
2016-01-25  1:37                   ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2016-02-06  5:51                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-06 14:36                     ` Adam Sjøgren
2016-02-06 14:38                       ` Adam Sjøgren

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