* gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
@ 2011-10-25 12:42 Ted Zlatanov
2011-11-03 22:36 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2011-10-25 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Given a NNTP group synchronized by gnus-sync.el.
I modify `gnus-newsrc-alist' with updated article marks, for instance (I
also remake the hashtable). Then I hit `g' and everything is fine. But
if I hit `M-g' my changes to `gnus-newsrc-alist' get wiped out. Any
ideas why? Is it some Agent interaction?
Ted
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2011-10-25 12:42 gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g' Ted Zlatanov
@ 2011-11-03 22:36 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-11-04 12:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-11-03 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> I modify `gnus-newsrc-alist' with updated article marks, for instance (I
> also remake the hashtable). Then I hit `g' and everything is fine. But
> if I hit `M-g' my changes to `gnus-newsrc-alist' get wiped out. Any
> ideas why? Is it some Agent interaction?
Perhaps you have server marks in your NNTP group?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2011-11-03 22:36 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-11-04 12:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 23:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2011-11-04 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: ding
On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 23:36:47 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
LMI> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>> I modify `gnus-newsrc-alist' with updated article marks, for instance (I
>> also remake the hashtable). Then I hit `g' and everything is fine. But
>> if I hit `M-g' my changes to `gnus-newsrc-alist' get wiped out. Any
>> ideas why? Is it some Agent interaction?
LMI> Perhaps you have server marks in your NNTP group?
How would I know? This is against GMane. And if so, how do I override
them when `gnus-sync-read' rewrites the newsrc?
Thanks
Ted
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2011-11-04 12:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
@ 2012-01-03 23:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-07 1:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-01-03 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> LMI> Perhaps you have server marks in your NNTP group?
>
> How would I know? This is against GMane. And if so, how do I override
> them when `gnus-sync-read' rewrites the newsrc?
Let's see... I think there's a file... somewhere... called .marks,
which is a per-group thing. "find ~/News -name .marks" should find the
offending files. They should probably be deleted if they exist.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-03 23:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2012-01-07 1:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 1:40 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2012-01-07 1:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:08:22 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
LMI> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
LMI> Perhaps you have server marks in your NNTP group?
>>
>> How would I know? This is against GMane. And if so, how do I override
>> them when `gnus-sync-read' rewrites the newsrc?
LMI> Let's see... I think there's a file... somewhere... called .marks,
LMI> which is a per-group thing. "find ~/News -name .marks" should find the
LMI> offending files. They should probably be deleted if they exist.
Is Gnus still creating them today? Do we want that?
Ted
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-07 1:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
@ 2012-01-07 1:40 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-07 2:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-01-07 1:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> Is Gnus still creating them today? Do we want that?
No, Gnus no longer creates them (by default).
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-07 1:40 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2012-01-07 2:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 2:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2012-01-07 2:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:40:48 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
LMI> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>> Is Gnus still creating them today? Do we want that?
LMI> No, Gnus no longer creates them (by default).
Oh, that must have been it. You just saved me 200 inodes, thanks!
Ted
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-07 2:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
@ 2012-01-07 2:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 2:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2012-01-07 2:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:18:27 -0500 Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> wrote:
TZ> On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:40:48 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
LMI> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>>> Is Gnus still creating them today? Do we want that?
LMI> No, Gnus no longer creates them (by default).
TZ> Oh, that must have been it. You just saved me 200 inodes, thanks!
Hmm, no. After removing the .marks and then `s'aving the newsrc.eld:
% find ~/News -name .marks
/home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/.marks
/home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/.marks
/home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.tramp/.marks
I'm using a Gnus Git checkout from 5 days ago. I don't think I've
requested these marks files in my settings.
Ted
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-07 2:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
@ 2012-01-07 2:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-07 2:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-01-07 2:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> Hmm, no. After removing the .marks and then `s'aving the newsrc.eld:
>
> % find ~/News -name .marks
>
> /home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/.marks
> /home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/.marks
> /home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.tramp/.marks
>
> I'm using a Gnus Git checkout from 5 days ago. I don't think I've
> requested these marks files in my settings.
The variable that controls this is... er... `gnus-propagate-marks'?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-07 2:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2012-01-07 2:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 6:25 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2012-01-07 2:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:30:05 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
LMI> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>> Hmm, no. After removing the .marks and then `s'aving the newsrc.eld:
>>
>> % find ~/News -name .marks
>>
>> /home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/.marks
>> /home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/.marks
>> /home/tzz/News/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.tramp/.marks
>>
>> I'm using a Gnus Git checkout from 5 days ago. I don't think I've
>> requested these marks files in my settings.
LMI> The variable that controls this is... er... `gnus-propagate-marks'?
Sorry, it's nil for me.
*Messages* says:
Exiting summary buffer and applying spam rules
Bootstrapping marks for gmane.emacs.gnus.general...done
Bootstrapping marks for gmane.emacs.devel...done
Bootstrapping marks for gmane.emacs.tramp...done
gnus-sync-newsrc-loader-builder: add nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.gnus.general, it's modified
Could gnus-sync.el be doing something? I would think not.
Ted
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-07 2:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
@ 2012-01-07 6:25 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-08 10:47 ` Steinar Bang
2012-01-16 18:46 ` Steinar Bang
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-01-07 6:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> LMI> The variable that controls this is... er... `gnus-propagate-marks'?
>
> Sorry, it's nil for me.
D'oh! I'm running with `nntp-marks-is-evil' set to t. Gah. I thought
I had cleared out all customisations in this area...
There's a fundamental difference between the marks stored in IMAP and
the marks stored on the nntp backend. The former is useful. The latter
just duplicates the information in the .newsrc.eld file locally, and
isn't particularly.
I thought I had finally separated out the two different things, and
defaulted the former to on and the latter to off, but nope.
I'll fix it up, but not tonig..., er, this morning.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-07 6:25 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2012-01-08 10:47 ` Steinar Bang
2012-01-16 18:46 ` Steinar Bang
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Steinar Bang @ 2012-01-08 10:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:
> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
LMI> The variable that controls this is... er... `gnus-propagate-marks'?
>>
>> Sorry, it's nil for me.
> D'oh! I'm running with `nntp-marks-is-evil' set to t. Gah. I thought
> I had cleared out all customisations in this area...
> There's a fundamental difference between the marks stored in IMAP and
> the marks stored on the nntp backend. The former is useful. The
> latter just duplicates the information in the .newsrc.eld file
> locally, and isn't particularly.
Interesting. I also (not unexpectedly) have the .marks files in all of
my gnusen. These are possibly the cause for gnus-sync's (both the old
and the new) problems: ie. sometimes it updates the marks correctly,
sometimes it doesn't.
It could maybe also be the cause of gnus agent's obscure errors...? But
if it is, it points to a potential issue: As you say, storing marks in
the backend is the right thing to do for nnimap. And nnimap is also the
backend that would benefit the most from a working agent (at least for
me).
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-07 6:25 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-08 10:47 ` Steinar Bang
@ 2012-01-16 18:46 ` Steinar Bang
2012-01-26 18:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Steinar Bang @ 2012-01-16 18:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:
> D'oh! I'm running with `nntp-marks-is-evil' set to t. Gah. I thought
> I had cleared out all customisations in this area...
[snip!]
> I'll fix it up, but not tonig..., er, this morning.
Have you gotten around to it? Or should I just go ahead and customize
nntp-marks-is-evil...?
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-16 18:46 ` Steinar Bang
@ 2012-01-26 18:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-26 21:20 ` Steinar Bang
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-01-26 18:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
> Have you gotten around to it? Or should I just go ahead and customize
> nntp-marks-is-evil...?
Sorry for the delay. This should now be fixed, I think.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-26 18:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2012-01-26 21:20 ` Steinar Bang
2012-01-26 22:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Steinar Bang @ 2012-01-26 21:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
>>>>> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:
> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>> Have you gotten around to it? Or should I just go ahead and customize
>> nntp-marks-is-evil...?
> Sorry for the delay. This should now be fixed, I think.
Yep. Seems to be fixed now. Thanks!
It will be interesting to see what effect this has, if any, on
gnus-sync...?
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* Re: gnus-sync: `gnus-newsrc-alist' modifications don't survive `M-g'
2012-01-26 21:20 ` Steinar Bang
@ 2012-01-26 22:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-01-26 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
> It will be interesting to see what effect this has, if any, on
> gnus-sync...?
Probably not much... I think...
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome
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