* Oort Gnus v0.10 is released
@ 2003-01-05 0:54 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-05 11:23 ` Romain FRANCOISE
2003-01-05 14:48 ` Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2003-01-05 0:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
I kinda botched the last release, so here's one that should fix it.
Get it from <URL:http://quimby.gnus.org/gnus/dist/ognus-0.10.tar.gz>
or "/ftp@quimby.gnus.org:/pub/gnus/". The patch is available as
<URL:ftp://quimby.gnus.org/pub/gnus/ding-patches/ognus-0.09-0.10.diff.gz>.
ChangeLog since last release:
2003-01-05 01:53:30 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lars@ingebrigtsen.no>
* gnus.el: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released.
2003-01-05 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
* gnus.el (gnus-version-number): Fix version number.
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released
2003-01-05 0:54 Oort Gnus v0.10 is released Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2003-01-05 11:23 ` Romain FRANCOISE
2003-01-05 11:30 ` Romain FRANCOISE
2003-01-05 11:48 ` Graham Murray
2003-01-05 14:48 ` Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Romain FRANCOISE @ 2003-01-05 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> 2003-01-05 01:53:30 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lars@ingebrigtsen.no>
> * gnus.el: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released.
Hm. I'm at 0.11 here, or am I missing something?
,----[ C-h v gnus-version-number RET ]
| gnus-version-number's value is "0.11"
|
| Version number for this version of Gnus.
|
| Defined in `gnus'.
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-05 0:54 Oort Gnus v0.10 is released Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-05 11:23 ` Romain FRANCOISE
@ 2003-01-05 14:48 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2003-01-05 15:21 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2003-01-05 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
message-mode-map (0.07 did not do this). `C-c C-p' is historically a
"private" prefix that GNU Emacs reserved for users to bind their own three
(or more) key sequences.
Did this change? Did I blink?
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-05 14:48 ` Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el Stainless Steel Rat
@ 2003-01-05 15:21 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-05 15:32 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2003-01-05 16:14 ` Steve Youngs
2003-01-05 16:20 ` Steve Youngs
2003-01-06 1:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-01-05 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
> message-mode-map (0.07 did not do this). `C-c C-p' is historically a
> "private" prefix that GNU Emacs reserved for users to bind their own three
> (or more) key sequences.
Yes, I guess there are still some Supercite aficionados out there who
customarily use C-c C-p.
Somewhat off-topic, Preview-LaTeX also uses C-c C-p...
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-05 15:21 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2003-01-05 15:32 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2003-01-05 15:44 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-05 16:14 ` Steve Youngs
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2003-01-05 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
* kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) on Sun, 05 Jan 2003
| Yes, I guess there are still some Supercite aficionados out there who
| customarily use C-c C-p.
Well, I'm no longer a Supercite aficionado :). I use a very simple,
home-brew citing function. But I do use C-c C-p to prefix some commonly
used stuff in message-mode. Emacs throws an error with Oort 0.10 when
trying to bind C-c C-p o when C-c C-p is already bound to a function.
| Somewhat off-topic, Preview-LaTeX also uses C-c C-p...
My understanding is that nothing should be using C-c C-p except end users.
I wanted to find out if that had changed.
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-05 15:32 ` Stainless Steel Rat
@ 2003-01-05 15:44 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-05 17:18 ` Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-01-05 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> My understanding is that nothing should be using C-c C-p except end users.
> I wanted to find out if that had changed.
My understanding is that this was never so. The Emacs (or ELisp)
manual explicitly says that bindings C-c C-a through C-c C-z are
reserved for (major?) modes whereas C-c a through C-c z are reserved
for the user.
Hm.
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-05 15:44 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2003-01-05 17:18 ` Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2003-01-05 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
* kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) on Sun, 05 Jan 2003
| My understanding is that this was never so. The Emacs (or ELisp)
| manual explicitly says that bindings C-c C-a through C-c C-z are
| reserved for (major?) modes whereas C-c a through C-c z are reserved
| for the user.
| Hm.
Okay. Looks like a mistake on my part, then.
I should probably get myself used to C-c p as my prefix.
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-05 15:21 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-05 15:32 ` Stainless Steel Rat
@ 2003-01-05 16:14 ` Steve Youngs
2003-01-07 7:19 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Steve Youngs @ 2003-01-05 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
|--==> "KG" == Kai Großjohann <kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de> writes:
KG> Yes, I guess there are still some Supercite aficionados out there who
KG> customarily use C-c C-p.
Yep. Does that make me old-fashioned? :-)
KG> Somewhat off-topic, Preview-LaTeX also uses C-c C-p...
Hm, but does it do it in message-mode? Didier Verna's excellent
XEmacs package "Patcher" uses C-c C-p in message-mode.
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-05 14:48 ` Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el Stainless Steel Rat
2003-01-05 15:21 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2003-01-05 16:20 ` Steve Youngs
2003-01-06 1:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Steve Youngs @ 2003-01-05 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
|--==> "Rat" == Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
Rat> message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
Rat> message-mode-map
Rat> Did this change? Did I blink?
Maybe it was only a brief change, in Oort Gnus v0.11:
,----[ C-h w message-insert-wide-reply RET ]
| message-insert-wide-reply is not on any keys
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-05 14:48 ` Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el Stainless Steel Rat
2003-01-05 15:21 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-05 16:20 ` Steve Youngs
@ 2003-01-06 1:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-06 1:48 ` Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2003-01-06 1:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
> message-mode-map (0.07 did not do this).
Yes, that's a bad keystroke... Anybody have a suggestion for a
better one?
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-06 1:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2003-01-06 1:48 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2003-01-06 2:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2003-01-06 1:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
* Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> on Sun, 05 Jan 2003
| > message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
| > message-mode-map (0.07 did not do this).
| Yes, that's a bad keystroke... Anybody have a suggestion for a
| better one?
It might not be inherently. I probably had the C-c C-p vs. C-c p thing
backwards all these years.
Umm... but maybe C-c M-t makes a little more sense, paralleling C-c C-t?
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-06 1:48 ` Stainless Steel Rat
@ 2003-01-06 2:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-08 15:01 ` Josh Huber
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2003-01-06 2:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> Umm... but maybe C-c M-t makes a little more sense, paralleling C-c C-t?
I've now moved the command to that keystroke, and documented the
command.
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-06 2:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2003-01-08 15:01 ` Josh Huber
2003-01-08 16:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Josh Huber @ 2003-01-08 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
>
>> Umm... but maybe C-c M-t makes a little more sense, paralleling C-c C-t?
>
> I've now moved the command to that keystroke, and documented the
> command.
Doh!
That's what I used to prefix several commands in tmda.el:
http://cvs.sf.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/tmda/tmda/contrib/tmda.el
Unfortunate...
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-08 15:01 ` Josh Huber
@ 2003-01-08 16:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-08 17:41 ` Stainless Steel Rat
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2003-01-08 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
Josh Huber <huber@alum.wpi.edu> writes:
>>> Umm... but maybe C-c M-t makes a little more sense, paralleling C-c C-t?
>>
>> I've now moved the command to that keystroke, and documented the
>> command.
>
> Doh!
>
> That's what I used to prefix several commands in tmda.el:
> http://cvs.sf.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/tmda/tmda/contrib/tmda.el
Oops. Well, I can move it again. Any suggestions?
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-08 16:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2003-01-08 17:41 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2003-01-11 20:16 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2003-01-08 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
* Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> on Wed, 08 Jan 2003
| > That's what I used to prefix several commands in tmda.el:
| > http://cvs.sf.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/tmda/tmda/contrib/tmda.el
| Oops. Well, I can move it again. Any suggestions?
What about C-c C-f M-t? Putting it under the C-c C-f header field map?
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-08 17:41 ` Stainless Steel Rat
@ 2003-01-11 20:16 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-11 21:16 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2003-01-11 20:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> | Oops. Well, I can move it again. Any suggestions?
>
> What about C-c C-f M-t? Putting it under the C-c C-f header field map?
All the `C-c C-f' commands just move to the header in question; they
don't insert anything, so I'm not sure that's optimal...
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-11 20:16 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2003-01-11 21:16 ` Reiner Steib
2003-01-11 22:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2003-01-11 21:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sat, Jan 11 2003, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> All the `C-c C-f' commands just move to the header in question; they
> don't insert anything,
... unless the header isn't there.
> so I'm not sure that's optimal...
There are already some `C-c C-f' bindings that insert or modify
headers:
C-c C-f C-i cycle through Importance values
C-c C-f s change subject and append \"(was: <Old Subject>)\"
C-c C-f x crossposting with FollowUp-To header and note in body
C-c C-f t replace To: header with contents of Cc: or Bcc:
C-c C-f a Insert X-No-Archive: header and a note in the body
The last four were introduced not too long ago (2002-09-17) so it
should be okay to change them, if the bindings contradict the policy.
`C-c C-f C-i' was already introduced on 2001-11-19.
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* Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el
2003-01-11 21:16 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2003-01-11 22:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2003-01-11 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib@gmx.net> writes:
> There are already some `C-c C-f' bindings that insert or modify
> headers:
>
> C-c C-f C-i cycle through Importance values
> C-c C-f s change subject and append \"(was: <Old Subject>)\"
> C-c C-f x crossposting with FollowUp-To header and note in body
> C-c C-f t replace To: header with contents of Cc: or Bcc:
> C-c C-f a Insert X-No-Archive: header and a note in the body
Okidoke. I'll put `message-insert-wide-reply' on `C-c C-f w', then.
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