Re: Quimby Upgrade

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>]

"Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes:

> Indeed. Have you considered running quimby on W2k or OsX?

I say!  No need for that kind of language, young man!

> Yup. That's quite natural, though, because there is usually a good
> reason (bugfix) why the new version exists.

Sure.  But when I install the latest release, and do the recommended
thing to install Emacs, I don't really appreciate having to spend
hours and hours chasing down cryptic error messages.  I just want my
Emacs!  And I want it now!

> Ummmm... Could it be that you're running a rather old version of OpenBSD?

2.5 was the current one when I installed Quimby.

> I haven't seen this since 2.6, and 2.8 is really nice. And comparing
> OpenBSD to RedHat is really, really mean, too. Anyway, we are talking
> about a server, aren't we? There shouldn't be much more than the base
> system on it, so quite whining. Now. Damn version junkies... Hehehe...

Well, Emacs.  You need new Emacs.  Emacs is good.  Newer Emacses is
gooder. 

> > The Debian maintainers show great taste and restraint.  
> 
> Say, aren't you the guy who maintains this, like, news thingy? The one
> the Debian D00d3s broke quite severely several times?

They didn't break it that bad.  And I follow Potato, which has nothing
except the facts, ma'am.

> > I've never experienced any other system that needs so little work to
> > maintain.  Ever.  It just... works.  That's impressive.
> 
> Different strokes. I could say the same for FreeBSD.

I couldn't.  I see I have to tell my tale of woe of FreeBSD, but it's
shorter.  And more recent -- I installed my first and only FreeBSD
last month.

FreeBSD has the best install I've ever seen.  I just chose the
"paranoid safety minimal version with no X or nuttin'", or whatever
it's called, and it installed itself without me having to do anything
but hit RET a couple of times.  That's impressive.

Then I installed ports (from the same CD), and did the obligatory "cd
/usr/ports/editors/emacs; make".  And it broke.  It didn't compile.
(Something 

Lars sad.

So I thought I'd just install a pre-compiled Emacs, so I pkd_add-ed
it.  It installed without a hitch, but when I tried to run it, it
didn't work, since it didn't find the X libraries.

Lars sadder.

After staring at the error messages from ports, I found it that it
failed when trying to compile libtool, so I installed a binary package
of that, and then the ports Emacs compiled.  I was no longer sad, but
I was also distinctly unimpressed.

> If anything (and if it were remotely good enough for that), it should be
> news.gnus.org. If you want that, I'll set it up (not using phpNuke but
> http://www.daCode.org/ (thanks Fabien). Thing is that some things on
> gnus.org are a little counter-intuitive. First thing /I/'d would be to
> introduce a search engine that
>     - searches gnus.org
>     - offers searches for the ML archive (ht/dig is nicer than wilma, just
>       for the record...)
>     - offers searches for the "other resources"
> That way, finding stuff would be easier. I'd also set up a separate
> "Win/NT" corner, because that stuff isn't easy to grok, either. And
> screenshots... If you guys want to upload your screenshots, there is a
> "upload yor screenshot" link on socha.net ;-)

Sounds like a plan.  :-)

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   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen