From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/35649 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Quimby Upgrade Date: 05 Apr 2001 15:29:27 +0200 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035171359 4231 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 19725 invoked by alias); 5 Apr 2001 13:33:08 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 19720 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 13:33:07 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (195.204.10.139) by gnus.org with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 13:33:07 -0000 Original-Received: (from news@localhost) by quimby.gnus.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13396 for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:33:06 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: quimbies.gnus.org Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 986391185 29599 195.204.10.148 (4 Apr 2001 13:33:05 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2001 13:33:05 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Billy Bragg & Wilco's _Mermaid Avenue Volume 2_: "Hot Rod Hotel" User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) Emacs/20.6 X-Face: &w!^oO~dS|}-P0~ge{$c!h\ writes: > Indeed. Have you considered running quimby on W2k or OsX? I say! No need for that kind of language, young man! > Yup. That's quite natural, though, because there is usually a good > reason (bugfix) why the new version exists. Sure. But when I install the latest release, and do the recommended thing to install Emacs, I don't really appreciate having to spend hours and hours chasing down cryptic error messages. I just want my Emacs! And I want it now! > Ummmm... Could it be that you're running a rather old version of OpenBSD? 2.5 was the current one when I installed Quimby. > I haven't seen this since 2.6, and 2.8 is really nice. And comparing > OpenBSD to RedHat is really, really mean, too. Anyway, we are talking > about a server, aren't we? There shouldn't be much more than the base > system on it, so quite whining. Now. Damn version junkies... Hehehe... Well, Emacs. You need new Emacs. Emacs is good. Newer Emacses is gooder. > > The Debian maintainers show great taste and restraint. > > Say, aren't you the guy who maintains this, like, news thingy? The one > the Debian D00d3s broke quite severely several times? They didn't break it that bad. And I follow Potato, which has nothing except the facts, ma'am. > > I've never experienced any other system that needs so little work to > > maintain. Ever. It just... works. That's impressive. > > Different strokes. I could say the same for FreeBSD. I couldn't. I see I have to tell my tale of woe of FreeBSD, but it's shorter. And more recent -- I installed my first and only FreeBSD last month. FreeBSD has the best install I've ever seen. I just chose the "paranoid safety minimal version with no X or nuttin'", or whatever it's called, and it installed itself without me having to do anything but hit RET a couple of times. That's impressive. Then I installed ports (from the same CD), and did the obligatory "cd /usr/ports/editors/emacs; make". And it broke. It didn't compile. (Something Lars sad. So I thought I'd just install a pre-compiled Emacs, so I pkd_add-ed it. It installed without a hitch, but when I tried to run it, it didn't work, since it didn't find the X libraries. Lars sadder. After staring at the error messages from ports, I found it that it failed when trying to compile libtool, so I installed a binary package of that, and then the ports Emacs compiled. I was no longer sad, but I was also distinctly unimpressed. > If anything (and if it were remotely good enough for that), it should be > news.gnus.org. If you want that, I'll set it up (not using phpNuke but > http://www.daCode.org/ (thanks Fabien). Thing is that some things on > gnus.org are a little counter-intuitive. First thing /I/'d would be to > introduce a search engine that > - searches gnus.org > - offers searches for the ML archive (ht/dig is nicer than wilma, just > for the record...) > - offers searches for the "other resources" > That way, finding stuff would be easier. I'd also set up a separate > "Win/NT" corner, because that stuff isn't easy to grok, either. And > screenshots... If you guys want to upload your screenshots, there is a > "upload yor screenshot" link on socha.net ;-) Sounds like a plan. :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen