gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

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... and this is wrong, since it breaks assumptions. Patch appended.

Or do others think different?

        Robbe


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diff -u pgnus/lisp/ChangeLog~ pgnus/lisp/ChangeLog
--- pgnus/lisp/ChangeLog~	Fri Jul 16 12:10:27 1999
+++ pgnus/lisp/ChangeLog	Fri Jul 16 12:10:27 1999
@@ -1,3 +1,8 @@
+1999-07-16  Robert Bihlmeyer  <robbe@orcus.priv.at>
+
+	* gnus-art.el (gnus-treat-strip-pgp): Gnus shouldn't hide any body 
+	parts by default.
+
 Fri Jul  9 22:21:16 1999  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@menja.ifi.uio.no>
 
 	* gnus.el: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95 is released.
diff -u pgnus/lisp/gnus-art.el~ pgnus/lisp/gnus-art.el
--- pgnus/lisp/gnus-art.el~	Fri Jul 16 12:09:58 1999
+++ pgnus/lisp/gnus-art.el	Fri Jul 16 12:09:58 1999
@@ -709,7 +709,7 @@
   :group 'gnus-article-treat
   :type gnus-article-treat-custom)
 
-(defcustom gnus-treat-strip-pgp t
+(defcustom gnus-treat-strip-pgp nil
   "Strip PGP signatures.
 Valid values are nil, t, `head', `last', an integer or a predicate.
 See the manual for details."

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Re: gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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Hash: SHA1

* Robert Bihlmeyer <robbe@orcus.priv.at>  on Fri, 16 Jul 1999
| ... and this is wrong, since it breaks assumptions. Patch appended.
| Or do others think different?

Others think different.  PGP signature blocks are not readable by human
beings.  Therefore, as with the many headers that the average user has no
need to see, PGP signatures are hidden by default.
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Version: GnuPG v0.9.8 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org

iD8DBQE3j5aIgl+vIlSVSNkRAoaFAJ491o4aIwNPcrDO3OhwBirvYsL6UwCg4Z/3
albPEe3CWwYtpJSmSenJkXk=
=lnVv
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Re: gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

Hi,

>>>>> On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:31:04 -0400
>>>>> Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> said:

 Rat> PGP signature blocks are not readable by
 Rat> human beings.

The first line is, and makes the user aware that the message is
signed. Filtering the whole block does lose information.

 Rat> Therefore, as with the many headers that the
 Rat> average user has no need to see, PGP signatures are hidden by
 Rat> default.

Boring headers were always hidden, PGP sigs were not. I know that
boring headers are there on every message. I don't know if a message
was PGP-signed unless I try to unhide it on every message.

        Robbe

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Re: gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud4.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

> Boring headers were always hidden, PGP sigs were not. I know that
> boring headers are there on every message. I don't know if a message
> was PGP-signed unless I try to unhide it on every message.

Yes.  But I think that most people will want to hide PGP sigs, so I
think it makes sense to default to hiding them.

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Re: gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Toby Speight]

Lars> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <URL:mailto:larsi@gnus.org>

0> In article <m3ogft8kql.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org>, Lars wrote:

Lars> Yes.  But I think that most people will want to hide PGP sigs,
Lars> so I think it makes sense to default to hiding them.

Before Gnus had this feature, I was using code of my own to do this (I
think I may have posted it on gnu.emacs.gnus).  The difference I had
was that I didn't hide the "BEGIN" line - so you could see that the
message was signed, if you wanted to verify it, without having to see
the sig as well.  WIBNI Gnus worked like this (perhaps as an option)?

Re: gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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Hash: SHA1

* Toby Speight <Toby.Speight@streapadair.freeserve.co.uk>  on Fri, 27 Aug 1999
| Before Gnus had this feature, I was using code of my own to do this (I
| think I may have posted it on gnu.emacs.gnus).  The difference I had
| was that I didn't hide the "BEGIN" line - so you could see that the
| message was signed, if you wanted to verify it, without having to see
| the sig as well.  WIBNI Gnus worked like this (perhaps as an option)?

Um, no.  Those who use PGP/GPG generally do not want to see it at all (you
are a singular exception in my experience), and those who do not will be
confused by it.
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Version: GnuPG v0.9.10 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org

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Re: gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Jaap-Henk Hoepman]

On 27 Aug 1999 20:01:42 -0400 Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> * Toby Speight <Toby.Speight@streapadair.freeserve.co.uk>  on Fri, 27 Aug 1999
> | Before Gnus had this feature, I was using code of my own to do this (I
> | think I may have posted it on gnu.emacs.gnus).  The difference I had
> | was that I didn't hide the "BEGIN" line - so you could see that the
> | message was signed, if you wanted to verify it, without having to see
> | the sig as well.  WIBNI Gnus worked like this (perhaps as an option)?
> 
> Um, no.  Those who use PGP/GPG generally do not want to see it at all (you
> are a singular exception in my experience), and those who do not will be
> confused by it.
>
> --
> Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>    \ Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete.
> Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ 
> PGP Key: at a key server near you!  \ 

Still, it would be nice to be able to see whether a message is signed or not,
even if gnus-treat-strip-pgp equals t. Maybe a message in the message line,
or some symbol in the modeline? I have gnus-treat-strip-pgp set to nil just to
tell signed and unsigned messages apart, but I really don't want to see all the 
PGP headers and stuff .


Jaap-Henk

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Re: gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Jaap-Henk Hoepman <hoepman@cs.utwente.nl> writes:

> Still, it would be nice to be able to see whether a message is
> signed or not, even if gnus-treat-strip-pgp equals t. Maybe a
> message in the message line, or some symbol in the modeline?

You're right.  I seem to remember some discussion regarding the
washing functions and the modeline, but I don't remember the outcome.

Re: gnus-treat-strip-pgp defaults to t

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> > Still, it would be nice to be able to see whether a message is
> > signed or not, even if gnus-treat-strip-pgp equals t. Maybe a
> > message in the message line, or some symbol in the modeline?
> 
> You're right.  I seem to remember some discussion regarding the
> washing functions and the modeline, but I don't remember the outcome.

There is the %w spec, which should probably be in the article mode
line by default, and should be extended to cover all washing
functions.  I've now made it the default, and we'll see whether
anything more needs to be done...

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