From: lconrad@world.std.com
Subject: Re: some mail annoyances
Date: 04 Jul 1999 14:18:43 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3oghs1doc.fsf@serpent.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "04 Jul 1999 04:19:04 +0200"
>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
Lars> What many Gnus users find, after using it a while for
Lars> both news and mail, is that the transport becomes more and
Lars> more irrelevant. What becomes important is the size of the
Lars> receiving audience.
Lars> Many people subscribe to several mailing lists. These
Lars> are transported via SMTP, and are therefore mail. Some
Lars> people have local news groups which have only a handful of
Lars> readers. These are transported via NNTP, and are therefore
Lars> news.
Lars> The important distinction turns out to be not the
Lars> transport mechanism, but whether the messages are "personal"
Lars> or "public". Many users then subtly alter the behavior of
Lars> Gnus according to these two categories.
I think this needs some rewriting. I'm sure we all know what you're
talking about, but a new gnus user who hasn't done any customizing
and doesn't even know what the customizing options are, needs a
different explanation.
My own take on this is that I expire mail that is really "news", that
is, someone else is in charge of archiving it somewhere else. I also
make a distinction (in how readily I interrupt what I'm doing to read
the group) between groups which might contain discussion of an issue I
am immediately interested in and those which probably won't, which is
sometimes the same as the distinction between the groups where I
contribute and groups where I'm a "lurker". I haven't actually done
any customizing of score files to automate this distinction, but the
thing I would most miss if I couldn't use gnus to read my mail is the
ability to read the different groups in their order of importance to me.
So here's a rewrite that might explain a little more to a new user:
Laura> What many Gnus users find, after using it a while for
Laura> both news and mail, is that the transport mechanism has
Laura> very little to do with how they want to treat a message.
Laura> Many people subscribe to several mailing lists. These are
Laura> transported via SMTP, and are therefore mail. But we might
Laura> go for weeks without answering, or even reading these
Laura> messages very carefully. We may not need to save them
Laura> because if we should need to read one again, they are
Laura> archived somewhere else.
Laura> Some people have local news groups which have only a
Laura> handful of readers. These are transported via NNTP, and
Laura> are therefore news. But we may need to read and answer a
Laura> large fraction of the messages very carefully in order to
Laura> do our work. And there may not be an archive, so we may
Laura> need to save the interesting messages the same way we would
Laura> personal mail.
Laura> The important distinction turns out to be not the
Laura> transport mechanism, but other factors such as how
Laura> interested we are in the subject matter, or how easy it is
Laura> to retrieve the message if we need to read it again.
Laura> Gnus provides many options for sorting mail into "groups"
Laura> (discussed in * Splitting Mail:: ) which behave like
Laura> newsgroups, and for treating each group (whether mail or
Laura> news) differently.
--
Laura (mailto:lconrad@world.std.com , http://www.world.std.com/~lconrad/ )
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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-06-22 0:36 Per Bothner
1999-06-22 2:04 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-22 8:20 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 8:23 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 12:00 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-22 22:34 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 7:39 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:25 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-22 12:53 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 17:48 ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:20 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 7:00 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 7:44 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 7:50 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 8:18 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-22 18:58 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 19:29 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-22 19:33 ` Finding a given in an nnml group (was: Re: some mail annoyances [renumbering]) Laura Conrad
1999-06-22 19:48 ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 19:48 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 6:54 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 15:36 ` Laura Conrad
1999-06-23 17:46 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 9:10 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 20:39 ` Justin Sheehy
1999-06-22 21:13 ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Tony Lam
1999-06-23 7:05 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-23 19:33 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 23:25 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26 0:27 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-28 15:45 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 6:45 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 18:34 ` Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated Tony Lam
1999-06-23 19:56 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-23 22:13 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 0:20 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-24 6:44 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 9:19 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 9:21 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 14:58 ` Peter von der Ahé - at home
1999-06-24 15:37 ` Norbert Koch
1999-06-24 17:58 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 19:47 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 20:56 ` Matt Pharr
1999-06-28 1:53 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 15:48 ` Lee Willis
1999-06-24 18:01 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 8:42 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 17:05 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24 23:06 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24 9:17 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 9:14 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 19:00 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 20:41 ` David S. Goldberg
1999-06-24 21:07 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 21:38 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 6:14 ` Soeren Laursen
1999-07-04 1:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 18:33 ` some mail annoyances [deleting mail] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:33 ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 18:54 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 19:15 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 7:10 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 7:32 ` Yair Friedman
1999-06-23 7:46 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 12:13 ` Randal L. Schwartz
1999-06-22 19:18 ` Nathan Williams
1999-06-23 7:51 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-23 6:58 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 7:23 ` Yair Friedman
1999-07-04 1:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 19:37 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-23 0:48 ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23 7:42 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 7:49 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:20 ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23 19:15 ` some mail annoyances [article number overflow] Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 21:02 ` Colin Rafferty
1999-06-23 21:09 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 12:58 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-22 14:33 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-22 16:43 ` Vin Shelton
1999-06-23 6:42 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 6:47 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 14:24 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-24 21:19 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-25 3:18 ` Christian Nybø
1999-06-25 20:34 ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-25 23:51 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26 0:07 ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-26 0:19 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26 2:05 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26 2:28 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26 2:46 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-27 13:32 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 21:15 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 23:43 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 22:30 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 2:49 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 8:09 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 15:24 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 15:50 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26 9:32 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-27 13:34 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-28 13:58 ` Kim-Minh Kaplan
1999-06-26 13:16 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-28 15:37 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-28 20:43 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-28 20:57 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 5:10 ` Russ Allbery
1999-06-25 13:21 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-25 13:25 ` Didier Verna
1999-06-25 13:39 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:43 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:52 ` customizing (was Re: some mail annoyances) Paul Stevenson
1999-07-04 2:19 ` some mail annoyances Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 2:44 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 3:19 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 6:15 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 6:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 6:51 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 13:15 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-07-04 17:00 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 19:01 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 19:31 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 6:37 ` Hans de Graaff
1999-07-05 3:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 16:58 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-05 3:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 9:28 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-06 3:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 7:45 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 4:02 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-06 6:47 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 15:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 16:22 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-05 18:32 ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 11:30 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-07 14:20 ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 14:22 ` Lee Willis
1999-07-12 11:40 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-06 3:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-13 5:22 ` Rob Browning
1999-07-13 11:29 ` Kai Großjohann
1999-07-04 18:18 ` lconrad [this message]
1999-07-05 3:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-07 0:34 ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-07 2:46 ` lconrad
1999-07-09 16:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-09 18:39 ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-09 19:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-28 7:36 ` Rob Browning
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