From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/15652 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Shutko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus v5.6.24 is released Date: 15 Jul 1998 18:01:49 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <199807112117.OAA10778@dzur.kerch.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035154645 23286 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:57:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (gwyn.tux.org [207.96.122.8]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18439 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:09:28 -0700 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA30823 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:06:13 -0400 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAT31701; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:39:46 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:02:37 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14200 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:02:29 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu [128.252.120.1]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19844 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@nb22-pool-13.wustl.edu [128.252.113.13]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08043 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:02:20 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA25805; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:01:50 -0500 Original-To: "(ding)" In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "15 Jul 1998 17:37:09 -0400" Original-Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:15652 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:15652 >>>>> "R" == Stainless Steel Rat writes: R> Alt does not "generate" anything; neither does Meta. They are R> shifting keys, similar to Ctrl. The only difference at that level R> is that Symbolics called it "Meta" while IBM called it "Alt". Sure Alt generates something. It generates a keycode. How else do you think software can tell when you tap the alt key (to display menus, perhaps)? You'd might as well say that the only difference between Hyper and Ctrl is that they have different names. >> What nromal function? It doesn't toggle XON and XOFF for me. Not >> surprisingly, because XON and XOFF don't mean anything for X. R> X is not the be-all and end-all. Scrol Lock on a tty equates to R> toggling XON and XOFF. That is its originally intended purpose in R> life. Right, but we were talking about X. If you'd like to discuss the equivelence of Meta and Alt on terminals, say so. But there's no equivalence under X, and there's no documentation that I know of where IBM engineers said "We need another modifier key, but instead of calling it Meta, we'll call it Alt and really _mean_ Meta." Sure, it is a commonly made equivalence, but there's nothing that means it has to be so. -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted You humans are all alike.