From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/12018 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: groups with numeric names Date: 09 Sep 1997 07:59:03 -0700 Sender: eagle@windlord.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: References: <0f202yehhe.fsf@odin.mjolner.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035151631 1455 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:07:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA08092 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:56:59 -0700 Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07488 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:52:21 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:59:09 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 19856 invoked by uid 504); 9 Sep 1997 14:59:08 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 19853 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1997 14:59:07 -0000 Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (36.21.0.44) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 1997 14:59:07 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 9179 invoked by uid 500); 9 Sep 1997 14:59:04 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Lars Balker Rasmussen's message of 09 Sep 1997 15:37:01 +0200 Original-Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:12018 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:12018 Lars Balker Rasmussen writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> No, because there isn't any group "alt" [...] > Uh-oh. Whoops. :) > % telnet news nntp > Trying 130.225.16.11... > Connected to gjallar.daimi.aau.dk. > Escape character is '^]'. > 200 news.daimi.aau.dk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.5.1 17-Dec-1996 ready > group alt > 211 2 59 2600 alt ^^^^ Notice that? Your news server thinks that the last article in the group "alt" is article #2600. Since if you carry alt.2600 that's not an article but rather is a directory, this almost certainly indicates that your news server is confused. Anyone reading the group for the first time is likely to see all articles between the current highest "real" article in the group and article 2600 show up as unavailable, and then their newsrc will likely mark all those articles as read so that even when more articles come in they'll never show up. This is one of the many ways in which all-numeric group names can cause problems. Personally, I'd solve this problem by rmgrouping "alt", since it's likely to have about the same sort of traffic as "general" or any of the other top-level groups (ie, mostly spam). But that's just me. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)