From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80324 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:24:11 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> <83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org> <87aa97nghb.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83mxd6wpo9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318415080 24510 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2011 10:24:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 12:24:35 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDvzD-0006U7-Cb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:24:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44545 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDvzC-0000Sc-Hh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:24:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44450) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDvz6-0000SS-QO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDvz3-0002bj-Bl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:24:24 -0400 Original-Received: from iwfs.imcode.com ([82.115.149.64]:56240 helo=gate.verona.se) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDvyy-0002ax-AC; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:24:16 -0400 Original-Received: from chopper.vpn.verona.se (IDENT:1005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gate.verona.se (8.13.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id p9CAOCQI018925; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:24:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83mxd6wpo9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:59:50 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 82.115.149.64 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144972 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80324 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: joakim@verona.se >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, >> Stefan Monnier , larsi@gnus.org, >> drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:33:33 +0200 >> >> My unscientific analysis is that of all windows boxen I see during work >> hours exactly everyone uses webmail in some form, and also some form of >> Outlook mail client. People mostly use it to book meetings though. > > If Outlook can be used for meetings, it is configured to send mail. > And that is all that matters in the context of this discussion. Well I'm only relating my personal experience. Most developers I described rather chew of their own arm than use the corporately provided Outlook instance. Therefore they do not book meetings, they reply to meeting bookings in a webmail client. Should they absolutely need to book a meeting they first chew off their arm then book the meeting. Anyway, I still can't understand why its absolutely necessary for Emacs to use a traditional Mail agent to send a bugreport. To allow for that feature, yes, that I do understand. Anyway, I'll shut up now and come back only when I can provide a working implementation. -- Joakim Verona