* scoring interface @ 1999-09-25 5:43 Robert Epprecht 1999-09-25 10:20 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Robert Epprecht @ 1999-09-25 5:43 UTC (permalink / raw) I like Gnus interface to the scoring rules very much. WIBNI there would be a way of *removing* scoring rules as easy as you add them. So after doing 'I r r t' on the ancestor of a interesting thread we could do something like 'R r' when the thread goes to much OT and gnus would ask about removing the corresponding matching scoring rule? So we could *I*ncrease, *L*ower and *R*emove. Or the *Score Trace* buffer could be used for that? Robert Epprecht ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 5:43 scoring interface Robert Epprecht @ 1999-09-25 10:20 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-09-25 13:21 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-26 16:56 ` Robert Epprecht 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 10:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Epprecht <epprecht@sunweb.ch> writes: > WIBNI there would be a way of *removing* scoring rules as easy > as you add them. So after doing 'I r r t' on the ancestor of > a interesting thread we could do something like 'R r' when the > thread goes to much OT and gnus would ask about removing the > corresponding matching scoring rule? So we could *I*ncrease, > *L*ower and *R*emove. If you just lower something that was increased, it will go away. And vice versa. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 10:20 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 13:21 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-25 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-09-25 14:46 ` Harry Putnam 1999-09-26 16:56 ` Robert Epprecht 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Robin S. Socha @ 1999-09-25 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw) * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Robert Epprecht <epprecht@sunweb.ch> writes: >> WIBNI there would be a way of *removing* scoring rules as easy as you >> add them. > If you just lower something that was increased, it will go away. And > vice versa. True, but how do I know what I scored on? Sometimes (usually after an overdose of LSD) I see *more* faces in *more* colours, indicating different levels of scores. Right now, I get low and high, but in a group with 500 articles per day, that's just not good enough. I think. And while we're at it: I A (e.g.) increases by 1.000. What if I only wanted 500 and were too lazy to go C-u 500 I A? Ok, so "there's no pre-defined functionality in Gnus for doing that", but WIBNI... if I A went "ok, so how many times would you like to huh-huh score, huh?"? -- Robin S. Socha <http://socha.net/Gnus/> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 13:21 ` Robin S. Socha @ 1999-09-25 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-09-25 16:22 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-25 14:46 ` Harry Putnam 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: > True, but how do I know what I scored on? `V t`. :-) > What if I only wanted 500 and were too lazy to go C-u 500 I A? Ok, > so "there's no pre-defined functionality in Gnus for doing that", > but WIBNI... if I A went "ok, so how many times would you like to > huh-huh score, huh?"? Nah. `C-u 5 0 0 I A' is the same number of keystrokes as `I A 5 0 0 RET'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 16:22 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-25 16:55 ` Harry Putnam ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Robin S. Socha @ 1999-09-25 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw) * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: >> True, but how do I know what I scored on? > `V t`. :-) Anyone into writing movie scripts? I just got this idea for one. Call it Gnusiphos: hubrid user of GNU newsreader/MUA fucks with lesser god and is punished by having to write a ref-card for it, forming it into a ball and rolling it up a mountain in Finland. Each time he's close to the mountain's peak, the lesser God comes along, laughs and throws him Yet Another Patch. Now, what does V t give me? This: ("<deathsquad.m3emfnw2ik.fsf@socha.net>" nil 730022 s) -> /home/robin/news/score/nnml:DingGnus.SCORE ("Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>" 130 730022 s) -> /home/robin/news/score/nnml:DingGnus.ADAPT ("scoring interface" 3 730022 f) -> /home/robin/news/score/nnml:DingGnus.ADAPT This is totally unintuitive. Ok, Gnus *is* unintuitive, but this just isn't it IYAM. It's not an interface, either - more like an inyerface. Take gnus-score-edit-current-scores: (("from" ("Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>" 2500 730022 s)) ("references" ("<deathsquad.m3aeqbw27y.fsf@socha.net>[ ]*$" nil 730022 r) ("<deathsquad.m3aeqbw27y.fsf@socha.net>" nil 730022 s)[...])) I mean, yeah right, I know what this means (I guess...) but who is to use this? In a less imperfect world, I'd imagine getting something like: S E (Score Edit): ______________________________________________________________ What? Current New Stuff this Score Score Score comes from ============================================================== from: 23 ______ "Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen" subject(s): 1 ______ <list of subjects> body: 0 ______ "white\\|disappearing.*socks" head: 0 ______ ··· message-id: 3 ______ ··· references: 8 ______ ··· xref: 4 ______ ··· extra: 1 ______ ··· lines: 11 ______ ··· date: 0 ______ ··· followup: 0 ______ ··· thread: 18 ______ ··· =================== Edit Scorefiles: * DingGnus.SCORE * DingGnus.ADAPT * ALL.SCORE ______________________________________________________________ And yes, I like menues - I even like customize. > `C-u 5 0 0 I A' is the same number of keystrokes as `I A 5 0 0 RET'. True. Let me try to outsmart you like this: WIBNI if there were more dialogue-like thingies? Like, hitting "a" asks you who to send it to, what subject to use and so on. Like, say, pine does ]:-> Don't tell me this stuff exists. Please. -- Robin S. Socha <http://socha.net/Gnus/> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 16:22 ` Robin S. Socha @ 1999-09-25 16:55 ` Harry Putnam 1999-09-25 17:26 ` Florian Weimer 1999-09-25 23:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 1999-09-25 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: > This is totally unintuitive. Ok, Gnus *is* unintuitive, but this just > isn't it IYAM. It's not an interface, either - more like an inyerface. Err Robin, How about reverting to your old, no word mincing, flamethrower wielding, chain saw brandishing, deathsquad alluding self here, and just say straight out what you are trying to do. : ) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 16:22 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-25 16:55 ` Harry Putnam @ 1999-09-25 17:26 ` Florian Weimer 1999-09-25 23:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 1999-09-25 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: > Take gnus-score-edit-current-scores: > > (("from" > ("Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>" 2500 730022 s)) > ("references" > ("<deathsquad.m3aeqbw27y.fsf@socha.net>[ ]*$" nil 730022 r) > ("<deathsquad.m3aeqbw27y.fsf@socha.net>" nil 730022 s)[...])) > > I mean, yeah right, I know what this means (I guess...) but who is to > use this? In a less imperfect world, I'd imagine getting something like: > > S E (Score Edit): > ______________________________________________________________ > What? Current New Stuff this > Score Score Score comes from > ============================================================== > from: 23 ______ "Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen" > subject(s): 1 ______ <list of subjects> > body: 0 ______ "white\\|disappearing.*socks" Does the `Score Edit' function you're proposing only show the score entries which apply to the current article? Or is it in any other what different from what `gnus-score-customize' currently does provide? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 16:22 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-25 16:55 ` Harry Putnam 1999-09-25 17:26 ` Florian Weimer @ 1999-09-25 23:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-09-25 23:47 ` Robin S. Socha 2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 23:33 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: > Anyone into writing movie scripts? I just got this idea for one. Call it > Gnusiphos: hubrid user of GNU newsreader/MUA fucks with lesser god and > is punished by having to write a ref-card for it, forming it into a ball > and rolling it up a mountain in Finland. Each time he's close to the > mountain's peak, the lesser God comes along, laughs and throws him Yet > Another Patch. :-) > Now, what does V t give me? This: > > ("<deathsquad.m3emfnw2ik.fsf@socha.net>" nil 730022 s) -> /home/robin/news/score/nnml:DingGnus.SCORE > ("Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>" 130 730022 s) -> /home/robin/news/score/nnml:DingGnus.ADAPT > ("scoring interface" 3 730022 f) -> /home/robin/news/score/nnml:DingGnus.ADAPT > > This is totally unintuitive. It's intuitive to *me*. :-) > I mean, yeah right, I know what this means (I guess...) but who is to > use this? In a less imperfect world, I'd imagine getting something like: You have, of course, tried `V C'? > True. Let me try to outsmart you like this: WIBNI if there were more > dialogue-like thingies? Like, hitting "a" asks you who to send it to, > what subject to use and so on. No, that would be very un-nice. Most commands take a default. To alter that default, you give the commands a prefix. If you want the commands to prompt, then people would have to hit `I A RET' all the time, when they now can just say `I A'. We win nothing and lose lots. > Like, say, pine does ]:-> Eggzactly. :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 23:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 23:47 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-26 0:19 ` Harry Putnam ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Robin S. Socha @ 1999-09-25 23:47 UTC (permalink / raw) * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: >> I'd imagine getting something like (ascii art) > You have, of course, tried `V C'? I have, and I found it utterly confusing. I read about 40 NGs and about as many MLs. I'm looking for a way to edit scores easily (mainly authors and subjects) and this is confusing for a luser (me). If all I'm presented with is a blank field without any explanations, *I* find this confusing^Wunusable. I guess it's a luser problem. So never mind ;-) -- Robin S. Socha <http://socha.net/Gnus/> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 23:47 ` Robin S. Socha @ 1999-09-26 0:19 ` Harry Putnam 1999-09-27 12:13 ` Per Abrahamsen 1999-09-27 17:31 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 1999-09-26 0:19 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: > I guess it's a luser problem. So never mind ;-) Robin, Have you tried the `all.SCORE' approach. Putting everything in one file since you mostly use Authors and Subjects, those categories don't conflict if run against all the groups you read. ( at least not much) You can edit it directly from any group by using `V c' (lower case c) A long list of authors is fairly easy to maintain esp. since you can sort it alphabetically with `M-x sort-lines'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 23:47 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-26 0:19 ` Harry Putnam @ 1999-09-27 12:13 ` Per Abrahamsen 1999-09-27 17:31 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1999-09-27 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: > If all I'm presented with is a blank field without any explanations, > *I* find this confusing^Wunusable. But `V C' gives you longish explanations to all the fields... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 23:47 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-26 0:19 ` Harry Putnam 1999-09-27 12:13 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1999-09-27 17:31 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-27 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: > I read about 40 NGs and about as many MLs. I'm looking for a way to > edit scores easily (mainly authors and subjects) and this is > confusing for a luser (me). I use the `gnus-home-score-file' facility to group score files by hierarchy. That way, I only have ~10 score files, and everything gets a lot easier. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 13:21 ` Robin S. Socha 1999-09-25 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 14:46 ` Harry Putnam 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 1999-09-25 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes: > different levels of scores. Right now, I get low and high, but in a > group with 500 articles per day, that's just not good enough. I There is always the 'limit to certain score' function to display the various levels of scored articles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: scoring interface 1999-09-25 10:20 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-09-25 13:21 ` Robin S. Socha @ 1999-09-26 16:56 ` Robert Epprecht 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Robert Epprecht @ 1999-09-26 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > If you just lower something that was increased, it will go away. And > vice versa. Oh, that's great. I always thought, they would just cancel each other. Yes, there's still an entry of the kind ("Author Name" 0 nil s) in the score file, which could be deleted IMHO, but that's more a question of aesthetics. Better some useless work for my computer than more work for you ;-) (My computer is sitting there doing nothing but waiting for me (slow typer, slow reader) most of the time, while you seem to answer at least a question a minute... Never mind.) Thank you for Gnus. Robert Epprecht ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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