From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/86493 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.sxemacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving Gnus development to Emacs Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 04:28:44 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451705367 28480 80.91.229.3 (2 Jan 2016 03:29:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 03:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: yamaoka@jpl.org, sxemacs-devel@sxemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 02 04:29:17 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFCsW-0005yI-Si for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 04:29:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37377 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFCsW-0001wS-1Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:29:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFCsT-0001wN-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:29:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFCsP-0007Su-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:29:12 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:34290) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFCsP-0007Sq-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:29:09 -0500 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aFCs1-00058M-CW; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 04:28:45 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEVBW0ElMyajzHYPFRAD BAPOi9M7AAACa0lEQVQ4jT2Ui3EDIQxEBbgAdKIATk4BYCjAF9F/TVlxdjQTYusBWn0wqQZVykSJ x2AWadKIz0Fa6dCaKVbunWFEMXHoAArAJxOPLiLMOB2rOIhaAwUS6TJgmUlTItUKQJFCT+O2nusE fCG4ksbAe/+0PgbNRtrToW71Btt0QtU1b4D7NukhpPgAaCm6+9iIpTfIj1Ctbbj/bL5SscDzqEyQ O2wDl1Chy8aAyjRJ5b0DVF9Z5hhLkjDAV5QvrZAEqOUXU7xddeNYMkQv404Ubt9NbR7Jo+QBgXr+ 6sfOqxxp9mlEiqvCP5jX7JSDWO4nBV7vj/+5YGiV2EDpRf7BjwG8QxYzetKV1uXthYSHn7i8mG9U pxcHM3LWMgFMaw9REX7iqor6UN1gRc1BY0bm61drySrrtr1bAWhC7iMrrYUTtpqX34chzJfSD9WY 3ojeJiLW4WWP0FOeQc4n7xOouiYUK4+XhlWw+SfsGOPw/mMeVkf8BdHLNggvdLJ2DIBcwgDHLWpI QwyMIz6u1Ve56hdwjKkN8i+e2O8HYOAhHTEe9/f5/gKCcjSfuMmuxPX04FBLISL5QOuSuYv3WORA NMSgB4DhsWBmYNmXrg3vI3qFDAfmxD1XWRy44sVlB3daSGdiBzpNc/TRlGwngmV6ZYONgs94CLTd /mfTzLJ01MfuEx55K5WBWWdvmINv5iB2jdSCA3tt0IF4DTO8JqZc3BUJdYUauzCx0zOiUfxeon2P Oezw4o3LvNaVT/qEQIKdUuMWH55rTp/MkTqOhNSZCmLgrdO/KPwzWch6rjKw4Xba8N4hOdcwEn6f /gAO8bHByN/HUgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Thu, 31 Dec 2015 00:33:26 +1000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1aFCs1-00058M-CW MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1452310126.36177@CE9D6PkG4Tm6hdoHCMyJzA X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197330 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:86493 gmane.emacs.sxemacs.devel:3603 Archived-At: Steve Youngs writes: > > That would mean removing basically all compat code. > > OK, from where I sit, this would totally suck. :-( And anyone not > wanting to use dev Emacs would just have to put it all back in. > > Any chance I could talk you out of it? Is there a compromise? Would it > be possible/acceptable to leave in the existing compat code but not > update it or use it for any new features from this point on? (I realise > this wouldn't be possible every time) Having different programming styles in the same functions is just awkward. One talks about `gnus-union' and the other talks about `cl-union' (or whatever). Somebody who tries to fix a bug will have to examine `gnus-union' to see whether it does something weird, and then discover that it's just the normal `cl-union'. It's doable, of course, but it's not very readable. > I don't mind having to bring my own glue to get the lastest and greatest > shiny new feature working, but I don't want to glue stuff that has been > working fine for me for the last 15 to 20 years. Well, Gnus will still be working for you, but new features will have to be ported gingerly, I'm afraid... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no