From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/53378 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matthias Andree Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: nnimap versus tls Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:16:29 +0200 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87ptmfhxj6.fsf@cam.ac.uk> <84of0ab15z.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <87k7axwef3.fsf@cam.ac.uk> <843chlyw19.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <87adbrq0dy.fsf@cam.ac.uk> <84he5z4pne.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <873chjtj8o.fsf@cam.ac.uk> <848yraamxb.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <873chiiyqu.fsf@cam.ac.uk> <87el12lle3.fsf@cam.ac.uk> <84isqebb9r.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <87smpgzmm1.fsf@cam.ac.uk> <87brw2sj41.fsf@cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1057842976 21598 80.91.224.249 (10 Jul 2003 13:16:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M1922@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Jul 10 15:16:12 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19abHQ-0005bg-00 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:16:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19abI6-0008N9-00; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:16:54 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19abI2-0008N4-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:16:50 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 67712 invoked by alias); 10 Jul 2003 13:16:41 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 67700 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 13:16:31 -0000 Original-Received: from pd951f44c.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO m2a2.dyndns.org) (postfix@217.81.244.76) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 13:16:31 -0000 Original-Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 57A618A2EE; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:16:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:13:06 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53378 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53378 Simon Josefsson writes: > Gaute B Strokkenes writes: > >>> IMHO, gnutls-cli should print this to stderr instead of stdout. >> >> It does. It doesn't make a difference: the elisp manual states that >> stderr and stdout of subprocesses can't be separated without using >> shell redirection or something similar, and unless I misread the code, >> we do no such thing. > > Should we add a '2>/dev/null' to the imap-*-program variables then? Nope. /dev/null doesn't show up in debug or IMAP buffers, and the stderr output of these openssl or gnutls-cli or whatever stream encoders might give indispensable help what the user did wrong. > On the other hand, we need the initial stuff (like 'Client > authentication finished') to notice authentication status, and that is > probably printed to stderr. Ouch. See :-) -- Matthias Andree