Re: Quimby Upgrade

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>]

"Robin S. Socha" <rsocha@kens.com> writes:

> Yup. And now you go ahead and do the equivalent of 
> cd /usr/src && cvs up && make build
> with Debian.

$ apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

And it actually *works*.  Which is something that you can't say about
BSD. 

> > Then I installed ports (from the same CD), and did the obligatory "cd
> > /usr/ports/editors/emacs; make".  And it broke.  It didn't compile.
> > (Something 
> 
> I see. I think you'll just love Linux. But get SuSE, it requires less
> reading:
> 
> (robin@socha.net):(/usr/ports/editors/emacs)$ grep FLAVOR Makefile
> FLAVORS=        no_x11
> FLAVOR?=
> .if ${FLAVOR:L} == "no_x11"

No, the problem was not with X; the problem was with libtool (which
Emacs depends on) not compiling.  That's called "a bug".  That Emacs
didn't compile even after libtool was installed, but failed when it
didn't find X, was (naturally) something that I fixed in the Makefile.
(It's probably "a feature".)  I mean, it's impossible for
installations to determine if they have X installed.  Perhaps someone
should invent something to allow systems to find that out.  They could
call it "configure" or something.

> > Lars sad.
> 
> No. Lars dyslexic luser.

Lars not masochist.  Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

> > So I thought I'd just install a pre-compiled Emacs, so I pkd_add-ed
> > it.  It installed without a hitch, but when I tried to run it, it
> > didn't work, since it didn't find the X libraries.
> 
> Logged in to ftp.openbsd.org.
> Current remote directory is /pub/OpenBSD/2.8/packages/i386.
> ncftp ...nBSD/2.8/packages/i386 > ls *emacs*x11*
> emacs-20.7-no_x11.tgz

Wasn't included on the CD.

> > Lars sadder.
> 
> No. Lars patheticcer luser. Lars deserve Corel Easy Linux.

Oh, BSD!  Spank me harder!  Make me *work*!  I have *too* *much*
*time* on my hands!  Waste it!

> > After staring at the error messages from ports, I found it that it
> > failed when trying to compile libtool, so I installed a binary package
> > of that, and then the ports Emacs compiled.  
> 
> Eh. You're supposed to be one of my lesser Gods, not such a total
> lackwit. Did you *ever* read the docs? Or at least the Makefile?

So libtool wasn't supposed to compile?  I guess it was documented.
That's ok, then.

> > I was no longer sad, but I was also distinctly unimpressed.
> 
> Now, just imagine how your poor BSD must feel. *sniff*

I can imagine how it felt.  It got its jollies.  I jumped through its
hoops.  I wasted my time.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen