From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/22652 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stainless Steel Rat Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Once again: PGnus & PGP Date: 20 Apr 1999 09:36:19 -0400 Organization: The Happy Fun Ball Brigade Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <19990407183048.A29643@diabolo.ndh.net> <99Apr8.153506edt.13862-3@gateway.intersys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035160533 30453 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:35:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00283 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAB22174; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:37:05 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:37:39 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28738 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:37:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from peorth.gweep.net (ratinox@adhara.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.158]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00262 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by peorth.gweep.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA01231; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:36:20 -0400 Original-To: "(ding)" X-Attribution: Rat In-Reply-To: jari.aalto@poboxes.com's message of "20 Apr 1999 13:24:15 +0300" Original-Lines: 42 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070083 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.83) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:22652 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:22652 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 * jari.aalto@poboxes.com (Jari Aalto+list.ding) on Tue, 20 Apr 1999 | C'mon Rat, this was discussed 3 years ago with proven results that | PGP can be reduces to header based X-pgp and still be validated. | (See Gnus group from dejanews) And my own personal experience with X-Pgp is that it is trivial for a message to be modified such that it cannot be automatically validated. Specifically, while I was running a news server at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, I could not automatically check newgroup and rmgroup controls because the news to mail gating added whitespace to those articles. At the time, X-Pgp signatures were used with all official 'big 6' controls. I had to manually edit each control message several times in an attempt to get the correct trailing whitespace, each time rebuilding the signature block delimiters, in order to validate the signatures. After doing that three or four times, and being told I was stupid by those using X-Pgp, I stopped bothering. In other words, while your statement is true, it is misleading: X-Pgp can *usually* be validated, but sometimes it cannot. That 'sometimes it cannot' makes it utterly useless. PGP/MIME was nascent back when PGP 2.3a was new, long before X-Pgp was an idea. Actually, X-Pgp was an idea that far back, but it was abandoned for exactly the reasons I described above. X-Pgp was never preferred by anyone except those who refused to accept the fact that it is ridiculously, stupidly broken. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3HILTgl+vIlSVSNkRAuQAAJ44Rf5BuDTwDe0muqTNIKeQncHQ9QCgxq9h eiiplSfARqBxvM90qNpZ5S4= =e5AW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rat \ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \