From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/50698 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jesper Harder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: charset=macintosh Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 20:47:34 +0100 Organization: http://purl.org/harder/ Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <843clxud7u.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047153385 14743 80.91.224.249 (8 Mar 2003 19:56:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Sat Mar 08 20:56:23 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18rkQh-0003pW-00 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 20:56:23 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18rkP0-0003b8-00; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 13:54:38 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 08 Mar 2003 13:55:38 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12501 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:55:24 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 50789 invoked by alias); 8 Mar 2003 19:54:19 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 50784 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2003 19:54:19 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (80.91.224.244) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 8 Mar 2003 19:54:19 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby.gnus.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18rkjV-00084h-00 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 21:15:49 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: localhost.localdomain!nobody Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 22 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 0xc3f98208.esnxr3.ras.tele.dk Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1047154549 31042 195.249.130.8 (8 Mar 2003 20:15:49 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Mar 2003 20:15:49 GMT X-Face: ^RrvqCr7c,P$zTR:QED"@h9+BTm-"fjZJJ-3=OU7.)i/K]<.J88}s>'Z_$r; Jesper Harder writes: > >> Just because you're using UTF-8, mac-roman, EBCDIC or whatever on >> your local system doesn't mean that it's a good guess that you'll >> receive mail and news using this charset. > > I think this guess is better than no guess at all. Well, I think experience shows that UTF-8 isn't a good guess. It's a bad guess for dk.*, and as Karl says also for de.*. Previously `gnus-group-charset-alist' had (".*" iso-8859-1) as the last entry -- this was probably better for the majority of users. I haven't got any statistics to back it up, but I suspect that clients which send UTF-8 are probably newer, and thus more likely to include a proper MIME charset declaration. So, I think it's much more likely that the charset of a message with an undeclared charset is iso-8859-x rather than UTF-8.