From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/48399 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: spam.el now supports blackholes by default Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:42:34 -0500 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <873ctztyth.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <87bs8nsh7g.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <87fzxziifw.fsf@wesley.springies.com> <87wulrjiba.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1041288325 5265 80.91.224.249 (30 Dec 2002 22:45:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@hpc.uh.edu Return-path: Original-Received: from util1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18T8ex-0001Md-00 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:45:24 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by util1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18T8cJ-0005Sl-00; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:42:39 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:43:31 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from ns1.beld.net (ns1.beld.net [208.229.215.81]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14727 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:43:16 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from heechee.beld.net (dhcp-0-30-bd-1-93-b2.cpe.beld.net [24.233.65.6]) by ns1.beld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE513B924; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:42:17 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Matt Armstrong X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: Matt Armstrong , ding@hpc.uh.edu In-Reply-To: <87wulrjiba.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> (Matt Armstrong's message of "Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:41:29 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:48399 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:48399 On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, matt@lickey.com wrote: > Ted Zlatanov writes: > >> I enabled the blackhole check by default in spam.el >> (spam-use-blackholes). Does anyone think it should be off by >> default? > > Yes. blackhole lists seem to die relatively frequently when > compared to the useful lifetime of a stable emacs distribution. > This makes it likely that the list would be out of date soon after > emacs shipped. > E.g. default spam-blackhole-servers has rbl.maps.vix.com which is > defunct (according to http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/usage.html). Fixed in spam.el, thanks. That's something we can't control, so I guess we just have to keep spam-blackhole-servers updated as the RBL list changes. > The result would be that everybody would have to change the default > to get things to work (bad), rather than changing from the default > to get extra features (good). I think enabling spam.el is already changing from the default (since you add spam-split to your split rules). Users may expect something as useful as blackhole checks enabled by default. But it's simple enough to set spam-use-blackholes to t, so I'll set it to disabled. I updated the manual as well. > There is a precedent for a defunct list being changed to always > return "yes" to all SPAM queries (to try to get people to quit using > it), which would compound the problem. That seems like an easy choice for administrators, but a bad one for the users. Oh well. Ted