From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/45565 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joseph Barillari Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Losing `expirable' marks in nnimap groups Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:26:45 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <877kk94kpj.fsf@uwo.ca> <87bs9jwjor.fsf@uwo.ca> <20020707200815.GA20165@zork.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1026073648 20761 127.0.0.1 (7 Jul 2002 20:27:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17RIcx-0005Ok-00 for ; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:27:28 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17RIce-00076K-00; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:27:08 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:27:30 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19422 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:27:16 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 27433 invoked by alias); 7 Jul 2002 20:26:49 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 27428 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:26:49 -0000 Original-Received: from parkave2-163m.fdu.edu (HELO washer.barillari.org) (132.238.170.163) by gnus.org with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:26:49 -0000 Original-Received: from washer.barillari.org (washer.barillari.org [127.0.0.1]) by washer.barillari.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id g67KQlw4011587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:26:48 -0400 Original-Received: (from jbarilla@localhost) by washer.barillari.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Debian-4) id g67KQl7f011585; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:26:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: washer.barillari.org: jbarilla set sender to jbarilla@princeton.edu using -f Original-To: ding X-Public-Key: finger -l jbarilla@phoenix.princeton.edu X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 99C7 4F49 AF41 AD0F A4FC 529C 215E 1BD2 F6A1 FA37 X-URL: http://www.princeton.edu/~jbarilla In-Reply-To: <20020707200815.GA20165@zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:08:15 +0100") Original-Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45565 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:45565 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "SN" =3D=3D Sean Neakums writes: SN> commence Kai Gro?johann quotation: >> Dan Christensen writes: >>=20 >> > Hmm, I can't reproduce this anymore. >>=20 >> I've also not seen lost expirable marks in the last 1 or 2 >> days. Fascinating. A Heisenbug is when the behavior is >> unpredictable. So is a Schroederbug the case where the bug >> goes away if you look for it? SN> I always thought the latter definition was that of a SN> Heisenbug. I had one of those once, but I've forgotten the SN> details. I recall it involved some C code and gdb. I'll second that. So does the Jargon File[0]: # heisenbug /hi:'zen-buhg/ n. # [from Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle in quantum physics] A bug # that disappears or alters its behavior when one attempts to probe or # isolate it. Conversely, a 'schroedinbug' is "A design or implementation bug in a program that doesn't manifest until someone reading source or using the program in an unusual way notices that it never should have worked, at which point the program promptly stops working for everybody until fixed." An "unpredictable" (quoth Kai) bug is a mandelbug: # [from the Mandelbrot set] A bug whose underlying causes are so complex # and obscure as to make its behavior appear chaotic or even # non-deterministic. This term implies that the speaker thinks it is a # Bohr bug, rather than a heisenbug. See also schroedinbug. =2D-Joe [0] http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/The-Jargon-Lexicon-framed.html[1] [1] Is there a gnus add-on for auto-numbering footnotes like these? Can one, for instance, use a LaTeX-like syntactic construct to indicate footnote content, and run a function to process the footnotes before sending the message? =20=20=20=20 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 iD8DBQE9KKQGIV4b0vah+jcRAqNNAJsHaHoMrrK+ipYi5Lv+c3ZDpDzRIQCghqO5 zndio8WKs9+owsC4oYm1ifI= =dPg7 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --=-=-=--