From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/44912 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Who sets Sender:? Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:50:45 -0400 Organization: What did you have in mind? A short, blunt, human pyramid? Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87bsbak1ws.fsf@nwalsh.com> <87d6vqtqnv.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <02May21.105936edt.119176@gateway.intersystems.com> <02May21.122206edt.119093@gateway.intersystems.com> <02May21.142858edt.119269@gateway.intersystems.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1022006983 31802 127.0.0.1 (21 May 2002 18:49:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17AEha-0008Gp-00 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 20:49:43 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17AEhY-0002cD-00; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:49:40 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 21 May 2002 13:49:58 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10353 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:49:47 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 434 invoked by alias); 21 May 2002 18:49:24 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 429 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 18:49:23 -0000 Original-Received: from multivac.student.cwru.edu (HELO multivac.cwru.edu) (qmailr@129.22.96.25) by gnus.org with SMTP; 21 May 2002 18:49:23 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 29656 invoked by uid 500); 21 May 2002 18:51:08 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <02May21.142858edt.119269@gateway.intersystems.com> (Stainless Steel Rat's message of "Tue, 21 May 2002 14:33:53 -0400") Mail-Copies-To: nobody Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 40 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44912 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44912 Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > 1. Sender is largely useless for mail except in limited circumstances. Right. In particular, nothing ever breaks when Sender is absent, AFAIK. OTOH, some programs do use Sender improperly when it is present. So it should be omitted whenever we can get away with it. > 2. RFC 2822 requires a Sender header be generated when the identities of > the originator and sender differ. By "generated", do you mean automatically? I would disagree with that. Even if not, this is only a matter of SHOULD, not MUST, so I wouldn't say "required". > 3. RFC 2822 does not clearly define the identities of the various agents > involved in mail handling. It's clear enough to me, and to Matt. It seems to require severe twisting of the language to arrive at your interpretation. > I choose to use a definition of "identity" that meets the criteria given by > both RFC 2822 and Which criteria are those, specifically? > RFC 1039(?, I always forget the Usenet RFC number), 1036. > This has the manifold benefit of making every news and mail user > agent work out of the box. You give me the impression that that goal is worth more to you than using a reasonable reading of RFC 2822. If you care about that goal, that's fine, but I don't see anything in RFC 2822 to back you; you can promote that sort of configuration without claiming that RFC 2822 demands it. paul