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From: prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc)
Subject: Re: `user-mail-address' for message-ids
Date: 27 Feb 2001 17:14:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3u25f7oyr.fsf@multivac.cwru.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <puir90jlr3w.fsf@rp17.acl.lanl.gov> ("Jason R. Mastaler"'s message of "27 Feb 2001 15:04:51 -0700")

"Jason R. Mastaler" <jason@mastaler.com> writes:
> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> > No, if one user is named `Xfoo' and the user agent does
> > time+uid+name, then you might get a clash with a user named `foo'
> > and a user agent which does time+uid+Xname.
> 
> But remember that gnus also adds a `.fsf' to the lhs.

A different algorithm might happen to append that same string,
possibly as part of its randomness.  There's no standard (AFAIK) for
user agents to avoid stepping on each others' toes here, so there's no
way for Gnus to generate a Message-ID that it know will never be
produced by a different agent.

"But this means the uniqueness problem is intractable!" you may say,
and you'd be right: to absolutely guarantee uniqueness, we'd need
either a single facility for generating Message-IDs systemwide, or a
standard to keep the different generators out of each others' way.  We
don't have those, so we don't have a perfect solution.  But we do have
a solution that, while imperfect, is not too bad, and we can avoid
making it worse.


paul



  reply	other threads:[~2001-02-27 22:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-02-23 20:30 Jason R Mastaler
2001-02-23 21:00 ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-23 21:38   ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-23 21:47     ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-23 22:30       ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-23 22:26   ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-23 22:41     ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-23 22:57       ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-23 23:27         ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-23 23:33           ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-24 12:08         ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-24 16:30           ` Simon Josefsson
2001-02-25 15:13             ` ShengHuo ZHU
2001-02-25 17:47               ` Alan Shutko
2001-02-28  0:09                 ` why `system-name' is bad for Message-IDs (was Re: `user-mail-address' for message-ids) Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  0:44                   ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-28  1:02                     ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  1:10                       ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-28  1:24                         ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28 14:52                           ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-28  1:08                   ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-28  1:25                     ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  2:52                       ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-28 14:32                   ` Alan Shutko
2001-02-28 15:23                     ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-25 19:46               ` `user-mail-address' for message-ids Paul Jarc
2001-02-27 17:28             ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 17:47               ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 17:55                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 18:12                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-27 22:13                     ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 22:58                       ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 23:13                         ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  0:43                           ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-28  1:06                             ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  1:15                               ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-28  3:01                               ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-28 11:15                                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-28 12:44                                   ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-28 16:12                                     ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28 17:19                                       ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-28 17:20                                         ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-28 20:04                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-28 16:01                                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  6:31                         ` Christoph Conrad
2001-02-28 15:31                         ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-28 15:55                           ` Norbert Koch
2001-02-28 21:09                           ` NAGY Andras
2001-02-28 15:45                         ` Toby Speight
2001-02-28 15:48                           ` Toby Speight
2001-02-27 18:18                   ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 21:44                     ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 21:54                       ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-27 22:47                       ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-28 15:43                   ` Toby Speight
2001-02-27 17:52               ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-27 18:00                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 18:08                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-27 18:04                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 18:21                   ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 21:35                     ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 21:41                       ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-27 21:47                         ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 22:00                           ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-27 21:56                       ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 22:04                         ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 22:14                           ` Paul Jarc [this message]
2001-02-27 23:51                             ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  0:54                           ` Lloyd Zusman
2001-02-27 18:26                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-27 21:38                     ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 21:59                       ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 22:29                     ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-27 23:58                       ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  1:05                         ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-28  1:19                           ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28  2:56                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-28 15:36                               ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-28 16:04                                 ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-28 16:08                                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-28 16:02                               ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-25  2:05           ` NAGY Andras
2001-02-24 12:10 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-25 13:36 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-25 21:00   ` Denys Duchier
2001-02-26  9:35     ` Sender again again (was: Re: `user-mail-address' for message-ids) Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-26 10:53       ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-26 15:43         ` Simon Josefsson
2001-02-26 16:43           ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-26 16:45             ` Cancel-Locks (was: Re: Sender again again (was: Re: `user-mail-address' for message-ids)) Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-26 17:23               ` Cancel-Locks Florian Weimer
2001-02-26 17:40                 ` Cancel-Locks Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-27 17:19   ` `user-mail-address' for message-ids Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 17:28     ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-27 17:36       ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 17:52         ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 19:05           ` Simon Josefsson
2001-02-27 22:01             ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 22:08               ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-27 23:03                 ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-28  0:31                   ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-28 15:38                     ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 22:49           ` Samuel Padgett
2001-02-28 15:39             ` Kai Großjohann
2001-03-01  0:38               ` Samuel Padgett
2001-02-28 11:31           ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-28 15:48             ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 17:48     ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-27 17:49     ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 17:57       ` Jason R. Mastaler
2001-02-27 18:18         ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-02-27 18:22         ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-27 19:15           ` Paul Jarc
2001-02-27 22:04             ` Kai Großjohann
2001-02-28  8:24             ` Paul Stevenson

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