From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57255 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matthias Andree Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: mx.gnus.org being very strict Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:30:34 +0200 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87ad0p4p57.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <20040503192543.GB21891@fencepost> <8765ba0zup.fsf@dod.no> <87isf6achy.fsf@dod.no> <8765b5pktg.fsf@dod.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084199490 11102 80.91.224.253 (10 May 2004 14:31:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5796@lists.math.uh.edu Mon May 10 16:31:12 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BNBoG-0005MG-00 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:31:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BNBny-00053G-00; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:30:54 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BNBnp-000538-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:30:45 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BNBno-0003Ek-0C for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:30:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (mail.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7C53A0034 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:30:42 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (krusty.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.163.1]) by mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D011F5F1 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:30:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5EABBAC6 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:30:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31063-04-7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 73FB7BBA89; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <8765b5pktg.fsf@dod.no> (Steinar Bang's message of "Sun, 09 May 2004 19:33:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at m2a2.dyndns.org Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57255 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57255 Steinar Bang writes: >>>>>> Matthias Andree : > >> If the destination mailer doesn't adhere to the standard, it will >> have a hard time displaying conformant mail. > > I don't understand what you mean by "destination mailer". If it is > the final MTA, then the statement doesn't make sense to me. I meant the MUA. > If it's the destination MUA, then there are two ways of adhering to > the standard: > 1. strictly adhering to the standard, and refusing all mesasages that > don't fit The injecting agent has to reject this crap. This is what happened in this case, no reason to complain. Fix the generator. > 2. adhering to the standard, but put some configurable best guess on > the messages that don't (in Norway that would typically be to > display messages with 8bit characters and no MIME markup, as > text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1) > It sounds to me that you're advocating alternative 1. Yup. I am still under the uncontradicted assumption that mx.gnus.org was the first hop, and hence the proper place to apply conformance constraints. German-language newsgroups are a nice proof that guess-work does not quite work, postings are sprinkled with undecodable characters. If the originator extends an existing format (8-bit national characters in the originally 7bit medium) and that extension is standardized, it must be properly marked. You send 8bit, you declare 8bit. Period. -- Matthias Andree Encrypted mail welcome: my GnuPG key ID is 0x052E7D95