From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/53148 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Volovich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: viewing raw article Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:49:22 +0400 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055527872 7497 80.91.224.249 (13 Jun 2003 18:11:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M1692@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Jun 13 20:11:08 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Qsvj-0001Yr-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:05:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19QsyA-00053s-00; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:08:10 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19Qsy3-00053m-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:08:03 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 78618 invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2003 18:08:02 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 78613 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 18:08:02 -0000 Original-Received: from relay1.vsu.ru (HELO vsu.ru) (62.76.169.14) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 18:08:02 -0000 Original-Received: from vvv.vsu.ru ([62.76.223.138] verified) by vsu.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1b8) with ESMTP id 2890437; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:55:08 +0400 Original-To: Dave Love In-Reply-To: (Dave Love's message of "Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:43:54 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53148 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:53148 "DL" == Dave Love writes: >> when i view the raw article using C-u g, gnus used to show 8-bit >> characters as \200, etc, but it had changed recently and gnus now >> shows such characters as eight-bit-graphic charset which appears >> to use the iso8859-1 encoded font. DL> Do you really mean \200? That's not in 8859-1 or DL> eight-bit-graphic, though I suppose such a font might have a DL> glyph there. Unless you change the display table, it's displayed DL> in octal. an article may include character \200 (128) in it's body: some character sets, not based on iso8859-* (e.g. cp866, koi8-r, etc), do contain characters in the range \200-\237, so \200 is also possible in the messages, and gnus used to show them as \200. though, characters in the range \240-\377 occur more often, and these were previously displayed as e.g. \240, but now they are shown as latin1 characters when previewing raw article, which is bogus. DL> eight-bit-graphic (\240-\377) is displayed with glyphs from your DL> default font. This is bogus, but we couldn't persuade rms to DL> change it a while back. (That's nothing to do with Gnus.) yes, this is very confusing and bogus. DL> (when default-enable-multibyte-characters (dotimes (i 128) (aset DL> standard-display-table (+ 128 i) nil))) hm - this didn't change the way 8-bit characters are shown in raw articles... Best, v.