From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/34949 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: regexp-based group parameters Date: 23 Feb 2001 17:55:27 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <873dfg9z1x.fsf@splinter.inka.de> <87wvcs8awc.fsf@splinter.inka.de> <878zp71ef0.fsf@lovi.inf.elte.hu> <2nelwpja7z.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035170776 459 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:26:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from lisa.math.uh.edu (lisa.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.49]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1149D049F for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:56:18 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAB24166; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:55:54 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:55:15 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14386 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:55:03 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from multivac.cwru.edu (multivac.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu [129.22.96.25]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E395D049F for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:55:28 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (qmail 21292 invoked by uid 500); 23 Feb 2001 22:55:49 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <2nelwpja7z.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> (ShengHuo ZHU's message of "23 Feb 2001 17:38:56 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) Emacs/20.7 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Original-Lines: 46 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:34949 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:34949 ShengHuo ZHU writes: > prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > > > * Group/topic parameters allow setting arbitrary variables, not only > > > `strict' parameters. > > > > I'm not sure this is a problem. Your gnus-parameters doesn't seem to > > address it, either. > > As to group variables, it is. How so? > > I'd like it if parameters were (or could be) stored in backends. > > Backends can already use -request-update-info to correct Gnus's > > parameters, so we just need a way for Gnus to notify the backend when > > the user modifies the parameters. (Then once all backends do this, > > Gnus could stop redundantly storing parameters in newsrc.eld.) > > Using -request-update-info is another issue. What do you mean? > > Also, to provide for hierarchical inheritance, we could have a > > parameter called, say, parameter-parent, whose value is a group. [...] > > I don't like this idea. Regexp scheme is much clearer and easier to > maintain. But it also means that I can't deal with group names and parameters as the separate entities they are. If I want two groups to share a set of parameters, I'm *forced* to either name them similarly, or else use an ugly, *less* maintainable regexp to identify them. > > Your suggestion (like mine) fails to cover the capability we have now > > of putting a group into multiple topics, and using the parameters of > > whichever topic the user entered through, but this seems like more > > trouble than it's worth, especially in situations where there is no > > "current" topic. > > This is the weakness of topics implementation. Right. But parameter-parents would be an *ordered* list of parents, and unrelated to topics, so there'd be no ambiguity. paul