* setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 @ 1999-07-30 0:16 Vladimir Volovich 1999-08-01 10:24 ` Vladimir Volovich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Vladimir Volovich @ 1999-07-30 0:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi, with emacs-20.3.6, i had (set-language-environment "Cyrillic-KOI8") ;... (coding-system-put (get-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'prefered-coding-system) 'mime-charset 'koi8-r) to set the default MIME charset for posting messages with cyrillic in KOI8-R (instead of ISO-8859-5). This worked fine; but when i upgraded to emacs 20.4, this no longer works (yes, i renamed prefered-coding-system to preferred-coding-system): my messages are sent in iso-8859-5 instead of koi8-r. what should i do in emacs 20.4 to get things working? :-) Thanks. Best regards, -- Vladimir. -- Usage: fortune -P [] -a [xsz] [Q: [file]] [rKe9] -v6[+] dataspec ... inputdir ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 1999-07-30 0:16 setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 Vladimir Volovich @ 1999-08-01 10:24 ` Vladimir Volovich 1999-09-24 17:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Vladimir Volovich @ 1999-08-01 10:24 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2678 bytes --] "VV" == Vladimir Volovich writes: VV> Hi, with emacs-20.3.6, i had VV> (set-language-environment "Cyrillic-KOI8") ;... VV> (coding-system-put (get-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 VV> 'prefered-coding-system) 'mime-charset 'koi8-r) VV> to set the default MIME charset for posting messages with VV> cyrillic in KOI8-R (instead of ISO-8859-5). This worked fine; but VV> when i upgraded to emacs 20.4, this no longer works (yes, i VV> renamed prefered-coding-system to preferred-coding-system): my VV> messages are sent in iso-8859-5 instead of koi8-r. VV> what should i do in emacs 20.4 to get things working? :-) (1) well, finally the following works: (put-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'prefered-coding-system 'koi8-r) i.e. instead of coding-system-put, use put-charset-property. i wonder, why that change was needed, i.e. what changed between emacs-20.3.6 and emacs-20.4? (2) mm-util.el reads: (defun mm-preferred-coding-system (charset) ;; A typo in some Emacs versions. (or (get-charset-property charset 'prefered-coding-system) (get-charset-property charset 'preffered-coding-system))) in emacs-20.3, the name was prefered-coding-system, in emacs-20.4, it was corrected: preferred-coding-system; but gnus does not check for this name, but instead checks for preffered-coding-system, which seems to be a typo in _gnus_, not in emacs (or is preffered-coding-system really used somewhere?). [i.e. it seems that in mm-util.el, one should either change preffered-coding-system to preferred-coding-system, or add a check for preferred-coding-system]. (3) files in emacs/<version>/language/ define preferred mime charsets for coding systems, so gnus probably could extract that info from there instead of insisting to use such things as put-charset-property in .emacs file. i.e. (coding-system-get 'cyrillic-koi8 'mime-charset) returns koi8-r. Also, emacs/<version>/lisp/international/ contains some useful stuff for charsets, e.g. mule-cmds.el contains find-coding-systems-for-charsets which could be used in gnus. (find-coding-systems-for-charsets (find-charset-string "test тест")) (cyrillic-koi8 cyrillic-iso-8bit x-ctext iso-2022-7bit iso-2022-7bit-lock iso-2022-8bit-ss2 emacs-mule raw-text cyrillic-alternativnyj thai-tis620-with-esc tibetan-iso-8bit-with-esc lao-with-esc korean-iso-8bit-with-esc japanese-iso-8bit-with-esc in-is13194-devanagari-with-esc chinese-iso-8bit-with-esc iso-latin-5-with-esc hebrew-iso-8bit-with-esc greek-iso-8bit-with-esc cyrillic-iso-8bit-with-esc iso-latin-4-with-esc iso-latin-3-with-esc iso-latin-2-with-esc iso-latin-1-with-esc compound-text iso-2022-7bit-ss2) [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 563 bytes --] (find-coding-systems-for-charsets (find-charset-string "test êãõëå")) (iso-latin-1 iso-2022-jp-2 x-ctext iso-2022-7bit iso-2022-7bit-lock iso-2022-8bit-ss2 emacs-mule raw-text thai-tis620-with-esc tibetan-iso-8bit-with-esc lao-with-esc korean-iso-8bit-with-esc japanese-iso-8bit-with-esc in-is13194-devanagari-with-esc chinese-iso-8bit-with-esc iso-latin-5-with-esc hebrew-iso-8bit-with-esc greek-iso-8bit-with-esc cyrillic-iso-8bit-with-esc iso-latin-4-with-esc iso-latin-3-with-esc iso-latin-2-with-esc iso-latin-1-with-esc compound-text iso-2022-7bit-ss2) [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 66 bytes --] (find-coding-systems-for-charsets (find-charset-string "test тест [-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 781 bytes --] êãõëå")) (x-ctext iso-2022-7bit iso-2022-7bit-lock iso-2022-8bit-ss2 emacs-mule raw-text thai-tis620-with-esc tibetan-iso-8bit-with-esc lao-with-esc korean-iso-8bit-with-esc japanese-iso-8bit-with-esc in-is13194-devanagari-with-esc chinese-iso-8bit-with-esc iso-latin-5-with-esc hebrew-iso-8bit-with-esc greek-iso-8bit-with-esc cyrillic-iso-8bit-with-esc iso-latin-4-with-esc iso-latin-3-with-esc iso-latin-2-with-esc iso-latin-1-with-esc compound-text iso-2022-7bit-ss2) i.e. gnus should find-charset-string for the message part body, then call find-coding-systems-for-charsets, and finally select the appropriate charset from the returned list; it could then extract the mime-charset to use for encoding that charset via coding-system-get. Best regards, -- Vladimir. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 1999-08-01 10:24 ` Vladimir Volovich @ 1999-09-24 17:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-09-25 16:03 ` Vladimir Volovich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-24 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Vladimir Volovich <vvv@vvv.vsu.ru> writes: > (defun mm-preferred-coding-system (charset) > ;; A typo in some Emacs versions. > (or (get-charset-property charset 'prefered-coding-system) > (get-charset-property charset 'preffered-coding-system))) Yup. Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97. > (3) files in emacs/<version>/language/ define preferred mime charsets > for coding systems, so gnus probably could extract that info from > there instead of insisting to use such things as > put-charset-property in .emacs file. > > i.e. (coding-system-get 'cyrillic-koi8 'mime-charset) returns > koi8-r. There is code in mm to use that stuff, and it seems to work for me. (Although I don't write Cyrillic, so I haven't really tested. :-) Under what circumstances does it fail? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 1999-09-24 17:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 16:03 ` Vladimir Volovich 1999-09-27 17:28 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Vladimir Volovich @ 1999-09-25 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw) "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> (3) files in emacs/<version>/language/ define preferred mime >> charsets for coding systems, so gnus probably could extract that >> info from there instead of insisting to use such things as >> put-charset-property in .emacs file. >> >> i.e. (coding-system-get 'cyrillic-koi8 'mime-charset) returns >> koi8-r. LMI> There is code in mm to use that stuff, and it seems to work for LMI> me. (Although I don't write Cyrillic, so I haven't really LMI> tested. :-) Under what circumstances does it fail? Well, i set (set-language-environment "Cyrillic-KOI8") and i expect that in this language environment gnus should prefer koi8-r when sending cyrillic letters. but gnus still uses iso-8859-5. so, it seems that gnus does not extract that info from coding system properties (or elsewhere), to guess the preferred charset to use. Best regards, -- Vladimir. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 1999-09-25 16:03 ` Vladimir Volovich @ 1999-09-27 17:28 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-09-27 18:52 ` Vladimir Volovich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-27 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Vladimir Volovich <vvv@vvv.vsu.ru> writes: > Well, i set > > (set-language-environment "Cyrillic-KOI8") > > and i expect that in this language environment gnus should prefer > koi8-r when sending cyrillic letters. but gnus still uses iso-8859-5. > so, it seems that gnus does not extract that info from coding system > properties (or elsewhere), to guess the preferred charset to use. Hm. What does (mm-find-charset-region (point-min) (point-max)) and (mm-find-mime-charset-region (point-min) (point-max)) evaluate to for you in a buffer with some cyrillic text? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 1999-09-27 17:28 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-27 18:52 ` Vladimir Volovich 1999-09-27 19:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Vladimir Volovich @ 1999-09-27 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw) "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Well, i set >> >> (set-language-environment "Cyrillic-KOI8") >> >> and i expect that in this language environment gnus should prefer >> koi8-r when sending cyrillic letters. but gnus still uses >> iso-8859-5. so, it seems that gnus does not extract that info >> from coding system properties (or elsewhere), to guess the >> preferred charset to use. LMI> Hm. LMI> What does LMI> (mm-find-charset-region (point-min) (point-max)) LMI> and LMI> (mm-find-mime-charset-region (point-min) (point-max)) LMI> evaluate to for you in a buffer with some cyrillic text? We have (set-language-environment "Cyrillic-KOI8") then, in the *mail* buffer with cyrillic letters, (mm-find-charset-region (point-min) (point-max)) gives (ascii cyrillic-iso8859-5) (mm-find-mime-charset-region (point-min) (point-max)) gives (iso-8859-5) (note that current language environment is Cyrillic-KOI8, but mime charset returned is iso-8859-5!) After executing (put-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'prefered-coding-system 'koi8-r) we get the following results: (mm-find-charset-region (point-min) (point-max)) gives (ascii cyrillic-iso8859-5) (mm-find-mime-charset-region (point-min) (point-max)) gives (koi8-r) So, i wonder, is gnus supposed to guess mime charset for cyrillic to be koi8-r when the Cyrillic-KOI8 language environment is active, or i should execute the above statement (put-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'prefered-coding-system 'koi8-r) in my .emacs? Best regards, -- Vladimir. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 1999-09-27 18:52 ` Vladimir Volovich @ 1999-09-27 19:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-09-27 20:17 ` Arcady Genkin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-27 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw) Vladimir Volovich <vvv@vvv.vsu.ru> writes: > So, i wonder, is gnus supposed to guess mime charset for cyrillic to > be koi8-r when the Cyrillic-KOI8 language environment is active, or i > should execute the above statement > (put-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'prefered-coding-system 'koi8-r) > in my .emacs? I thought the language-environment thingie was supposed to set the preferred-coding-system property on the Mule charset? Is this a bug, I wonder? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setting default MIME charset not works with emacs 20.4 1999-09-27 19:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-27 20:17 ` Arcady Genkin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Arcady Genkin @ 1999-09-27 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > > So, i wonder, is gnus supposed to guess mime charset for cyrillic to > > be koi8-r when the Cyrillic-KOI8 language environment is active, or i > > should execute the above statement > > (put-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'prefered-coding-system 'koi8-r) > > in my .emacs? FWIW, using Xemacs without Mule, I have to keep these in my .emacs: (setq message-default-charset `koi8-r gnus-default-posting-charset `koi8-r) -- Arcady Genkin "It seems as though I had not drunk from the cup of wisdom, but had fallen into it." (S. Kierkegaard) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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