From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/15618 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Shutko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus v5.6.24 is released Date: 14 Jul 1998 22:11:11 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <199807112117.OAA10778@dzur.kerch.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035154617 23066 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:56:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (gwyn.tux.org [207.96.122.8]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06778 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:46:32 -0700 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06615 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:43:17 -0400 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAT27190; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:16:58 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:42:33 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20611 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:42:25 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu [128.252.120.1]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29460 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@nb22-pool-16.wustl.edu [128.252.113.16]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19321 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:11:40 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22966; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:11:12 -0500 Original-To: "(ding)" In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "14 Jul 1998 22:41:12 -0400" Original-Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:15618 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:15618 >>>>> "R" == Stainless Steel Rat writes: R> So yes, on a 101-key keyboard, Alt and Meta are the same thing. No. On a 101 key keyboard, there is no keycap with Meta on it. However, one can tell X that the Meta key is anything you like. I could tell X that my Meta key is the key labeled on my keyboard "Scroll Lock". You can similarly tell X that Alt and Meta are separate keys, by giving the keysyms to two different keycodes and assigning different mods to them. I'm not sure if dtwm and mwm bind Alt or Meta... I'll have to check at work. (Another nit: CDE and Motif are two different UI standards, although I think CDE is a superset.) In any case, M-tab may not be safe, but Emacs has enough other things bound to M-tab in various modes that it should be perfectly fine here. An Emacs user should either use ESC-Tab or convince their wm not to snag the M-tab sequence, by turning off that mapping (my preferred route) or by separating Alt and Meta. -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted My other computer is a Connection Machine.