Re: No limit to cached '/ *'

[Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com>]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
> 
> > My only point is that on the list where the instruction about using '/ *'
> > appears it looks as if all you need to do is press '/ *' to limit view
> > to cached only.
> 
> It does?
> 
> `/ v'
>      Limit the summary buffer to articles that have a score at or above
>      some score (`gnus-summary-limit-to-score').
> 
> vs.
> 
> `/ *'
>      Display all cached articles (`gnus-summary-limit-include-cached').
> 
> I thought the difference here would be self-evident.

OK, I guess I see your point. It doesn't say 'limit' but 'display"
So the only question then is why is it on a page that is explicitly
about 'Limiting?"

>From info page:
  >  Limiting
  >  
  >	  It can be convenient to limit the summary buffer to just show some
  >  subset of the articles currently in the group.  The effect most limit
  >  commands have is to remove a few (or many) articles from the summary
  >  buffer.
  >  
The name of the node is "Limiting"  <===Maybe where I got the  idea
that the commands on that page are about limiting the view.

Near as I can tell the command '/ *' does not limit in any way.

Possibly the page could be broken up into commands that actually limit
and commands that add to the display.

I may be the only one that has ever been confused by the way it is
presented.  My settings are faily common I think, eg  Caching turned on so
that ticks and dormant are cached.  This also means that cached articles
that are ticked are displayed already when entering a group because of
their 'Unread' status. So the only effect of pressing '/ *' is to
move the cursor to a cached article.

Some of my confusion has stemmed from the fact that I rarely use
dormant so didn't see anything being added by pressing '/ *'.  Now I see
that any "hidden" cached articles are indeed displayed with '/ *'.
But still not 'limited' to.

> 
> > Pressing just '/ D' does display dormant articles
> > Pressing just '/  *' does *not* display cached articles
> 
> It does for me.  When doesn't it?

When cached article are not 'hidden'.

Should have been:

 Pressing '/ m ?'<RET> does display only dormant articles
 Pressing '/ m * <RET>  does *not* display only cached articles

It displays a blank buffer.  Once you get the blank buffer you can press 
'/ *' and have a view limited to cached only.

> 
> *It's* *not* *supposed* *to*.  *It* *doesn't* *say* *that* *it's*
> *supposed* *to*.

OK point taken.  Maybe adding my suggestion for anyone who wants to
"limit" to cached only would help.  Using the '/ m' commmand with the
'*' mark does work differently than with any of the other marks.

After all, this section is about 'limiting the view to a 'subset'.

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Harry Putnam  reader@newsguy.com