From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/74947 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Getting rid of the primary/secondary distinction (was: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:07:49 +0100 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292267307 2092 80.91.229.12 (13 Dec 2010 19:08:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:08:27 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23303@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Dec 13 20:08:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSDl0-0006AE-IW for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:08:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSDkn-0006A4-6I; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:08:09 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSDkl-00069k-EF for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:08:07 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSDkh-0001jy-1G for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:08:07 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSDke-0004fD-R8 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:08:00 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSDkd-0005zU-C3 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:07:59 +0100 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no ([84.215.34.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:07:59 +0100 Original-Received: from larsi by cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:07:59 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEU8NC9VTUeel5ETCwiE fHZqYlzLxL67XZ7bAAACSUlEQVQ4jWWTQXPiMAyFbTLtOdo0nLuKydnF0HMI3p6bxebMhtb//yfs k5MAOytmGKJPetJzjFKKqNRU14MuSQ8xlhQj0aAkSkUlkf4EoJoUAFIShRWg0FFSPdAd5EBWo4NK 6bjl8Qufpwz0Ywem4UFjTE1ZagpNOUSqDsEbj7Xm+jiIypM+BN9p47GNclY6BETEZ+hPln3hAIQ4 8UiR6i70R2tuoHAaHm1ZqzL03X9AxbFStW8AsMkMsOpg16l5i75T/pc4dAgA/fIdNua0Tey9j0MG Ssc+fa1TupTF3jNcAJDynBCoY96Mjf3NDKUYveLskwL4pT859yNreSPG69Bzm9JY6QqrsBBmRTH4 nE9dYQts0kOD04jDFw6hL/spG7rn/AQQPDpQUu0xwe2rXW6fOgD4Ykupf2/smG5AtBqdhc5/XDsD SMn01yKD9+TOS0ceYpDfbwpnU7NeAAizDMBmzrXXGdR5usE67gPk+nx9XgCk2Ljz1Unp9/sC5MB6 3rh2dFskvrbXh+HMPzGg2kvHrmnvPphf31JqAFOZmnQDMP66Y/6GtW6bjumxo9niuIr1Bu6qdHc+ gfa4q+xHOi0gH9VxxTwW1gHcnHshJwB5HRpg/3iI1YoPyFvdp8NHvh3TsXu3MmW+3sH4/J44O/fG rQ648wJ6ybe5A2KdeyEdB/xn5Zq1WYqEnNxbDHLTcr0oAeDcY2EjpNnM+TyDaDp4uam8lDNPYM7P wQug/NJv+anBSIc4vOfvAFsF/rc+gyAW2wd9k7/+AuHS+DGdlFkHAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: ANBB's _Mimikry_: "Katze (featuring Versuchka)" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:flWx6ubAxDGH9beD9jGHeAoVE2k= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:74947 Archived-At: Julien Danjou writes: > Or we just force every methods to have a prefix, so we only handle > something that looks like current secondary methods? Yes, I think that would be clearer. Then there wouldn't be any subtle issues of which method gets to be unprefixed and stuff. However, I don't know how I'd like having all the groups be prefixed. Then I think the group buffer, at least, should be displayed differently. Perhaps just do everything, er, like so: imap 4342244: misc.unanswered nntp 23: gmane.discuss nntp *: gnu.emacs.gnus and not mention the complete prefixed name... However, commands that expect group names will still expect group names, so people would have to deal with the complete names at some point. Although it's easier now, since the completion code has gotten so much better. I never type a complete name with `j' any more, but just some random string from the middle of the group name. This would actually be really easy to implement. `gnus-select-method' would just default to nnnil, as Adam suggested. `gnus-methods' would default to `gnus-secondary-select-methods' (for legacy purposes). So new users would only use `gnus-methods', while older users could continue to use their old stuff. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen