From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/41539 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: `gnus-unseen-mark' everywhere Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:32:31 -0500 Organization: What did you have in mind? A short, blunt, human pyramid? Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <86elld3ptd.fsf@i2d.home> <86666nc1a0.fsf@i2d.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035176918 6666 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:08:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 16211 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 20:33:04 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 20:33:04 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16MEXh-00051e-00; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:32:49 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:32:40 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03296 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:32:28 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 16204 invoked by alias); 3 Jan 2002 20:32:31 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 16199 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 20:32:31 -0000 Original-Received: from multivac.student.cwru.edu (HELO multivac.cwru.edu) (qmail-remote@129.22.96.25) by gnus.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 20:32:31 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 21587 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2002 20:32:53 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:21:36 +0100") Mail-Copies-To: nobody Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) Emacs/20.7 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41539 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41539 Simon Josefsson wrote: > Consider a nnml folder which two persons access. The recent mark, > maintained by nnml.el, is the same for both persons (now, actually, > nnml doesn't set the recent mark, but for sake of argument). The > seen mark however cannot be stored in the backend because they would > become the same for both persons. You're making assumptions about how sharing can be done that happen to be false for nnmaildir. In a shared nnmaildir group, typically the marks are all not shared and only the messages are, but it's also possible to share some kinds of marks and not others. If other backends cannot do this, then I think it should be those backends that decide to not store (nor update Gnus's copy of) the seen marks, rather than Gnus that assumes that backends are incapable of handling it properly. > Do you see the problem I think I see? Yes, I just think the workaround is in the wrong place. paul