html rendering

html rendering

[Clinton Roy]

hey all.

What about using an external program to render html? w3m is nice and
quick. Of course, you lose a lot of the special stuff, like links and
colours, but you do get the info.

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Clinton Roy
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Re: html rendering

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Clinton Roy <s344025@student.uq.edu.au>:

> What about using an external program to render html? w3m is nice and
> quick.

        http://ei5nazha.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/~aito/w3m/eng/

> Of course, you lose a lot of the special stuff, like links and
> colours, but you do get the info.

Personally I'd rather not lose out on links, italics and bold.

Re: html rendering

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

> > What about using an external program to render html? w3m is nice and
> > quick.
> 
>         http://ei5nazha.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/~aito/w3m/eng/

Hey; neat.  I'm ditching Lynx for testing how my web pages look like
in "text mode".  Now I'll only use w3, w3m, Mozilla, MSIE, Opera and
Communicator.

Er.

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HTML Rendering

[Graham Murray]

Is there any way of configuring gnus so as to allow it render "local"
HTML in email and news articles, but not to attempt to download from a
remote (web) server while reading email/news?

Re: HTML Rendering

[Kai Großjohann]

Graham Murray <graham@barnowl.demon.co.uk> writes:

> Is there any way of configuring gnus so as to allow it render "local"
> HTML in email and news articles, but not to attempt to download from a
> remote (web) server while reading email/news?

Gnus is supposed to do that automatically.  It binds url-standalone
(I think that's the variable name) to t while displaying the
article.  I just looked at a piece of spam, and Gnus _attempted_ to
show lots of images, but failed.  Not sure if that means that
url-standalone works...

kai
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Re: HTML Rendering

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Gnus is supposed to do that automatically.  It binds url-standalone
> (I think that's the variable name) to t while displaying the
> article.  I just looked at a piece of spam, and Gnus _attempted_ to
> show lots of images, but failed.  Not sure if that means that
> url-standalone works...

url-standalone didn't actually work the last time I looked at it.  If
it's been fixed now, then that's good.  If not, somebody should fix
it.  :-)

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Re: HTML Rendering

[Richard Hoskins]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Gnus is supposed to do that automatically.  It binds url-standalone
>> (I think that's the variable name) to t while displaying the
>> article.  I just looked at a piece of spam, and Gnus _attempted_ to
>> show lots of images, but failed.  Not sure if that means that
>> url-standalone works...
>
> url-standalone didn't actually work the last time I looked at it.  If
> it's been fixed now, then that's good.  If not, somebody should fix
> it.  :-)

Yesterday's CVS, on a spam conveniently posted to this list,
 Message-Id: <200112282224.QAA22477@sina.hpc.uh.edu>, my Messages
 buffer:

Retrieving newsgroup: nnml+private:mail.ding...
Fetching headers for nnml+private:mail.ding...done
Scoring...done
Generating summary...done
Loading mail-extr...done
Loading url-auth...done
Could not load cookie file /home/rmh/.url/cookies
Loading w3-hot...done
/home/rmh/.mosaic-hotlist-default does not exist!
Parsed  27% of 5092...
Parsed  50% of 5092...
Parsed  63% of 5092...
Parsed  84% of 5092...
Parsed  99% of 5092...
Parsed 100% of 5092...done
Drawing... \
Contacting host: www.storenet.com:80 [2 times]
Loading url-cache...done
Reading [image/gif]... 4k of 4k (100%)
Reading... done.
Contacting host: www.storenet.com:80
Reading [image/gif]... 1k of 1k (100%)
Reading... done.
Contacting host: www.storenet.com:80
Reading [image/gif]... 1k of 1k (100%)
Reading... done.
Reading [image/gif]... 5k of 5k (100%)
Reading... done.
Contacting host: www.storenet.com:80
Reading [image/gif]... 33k of 33k (100%) [2 times]
Reading... done.
Reading [image/gif]... 16k of 16k (100%)
Reading... done.
Contacting host: www.storenet.com:80
Reading [image/gif]... 2k of 10k (25%)
Contacting host: www.storenet.com:80
Loading w3-forms...done
Drawing... done
Reading [image/gif]... 1k of 1k (100%)
Reading... done.
Reading [image/gif]... 10k of 10k (100%)
Reading... done.
Generating summary...done


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Re: HTML Rendering

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Richard Hoskins <rmh3@alltel.net> writes:

> Contacting host: www.storenet.com:80 [2 times]

Yup.  Still doesn't work, it seems.

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Re: HTML Rendering

[Russ Allbery]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> url-standalone didn't actually work the last time I looked at it.  If
> it's been fixed now, then that's good.  If not, somebody should fix it.
> :-)

(setq w3-honor-stylesheets nil)
(setq w3-delay-image-loads t)

helps, but I'm not sure it catches everything.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Re: HTML Rendering

[Richard Hoskins]

Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> url-standalone didn't actually work the last time I looked at it.  If
>> it's been fixed now, then that's good.  If not, somebody should fix it.
>> :-)
>
> (setq w3-honor-stylesheets nil)
> (setq w3-delay-image-loads t)
>
> helps, but I'm not sure it catches everything.

But you might not want those settings if you use w3 for other stuff,
and besides, Gnus doing those types of things with mail reminds me of
Outlook.

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Re: HTML Rendering

[Russ Allbery]

Richard Hoskins <rmh3@alltel.net> writes:

> But you might not want those settings if you use w3 for other stuff, and
> besides, Gnus doing those types of things with mail reminds me of
> Outlook.

In which case you may want:

(custom-set-variables

 ;; Avoid text/html parts if possible (w3-mode is slow).  Also avoid
 ;; text/enriched, since it's often more difficult to read.
 '(mm-discouraged-alternatives '("text/html" "text/enriched"))

 ;; Buttonize text/html rather than display it automatically.  It's frequently
 ;; spam and I don't want to incur the wait to have it render.
 '(mm-automatic-display (remove "text/html" mm-automatic-display)))

That will skip the HTML entirely if it's in multipart/alternative, and
otherwise will show you the raw HTML with a button; if you want to see it
rendered, press "b" twice.

Getting the standalone bit working is even better of course, but the above
works pretty well for me.

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Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Re: HTML Rendering

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:

> (setq w3-honor-stylesheets nil)
> (setq w3-delay-image-loads t)
>
> helps, but I'm not sure it catches everything.

I've now bound these two variables as well before calling the w3
rendering functions.

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