Wide reply problems

Wide reply problems

[Toni Drabik]

Hi,

I'm a bit puzzled with the way `Cc: ' field in wide replys is
composed...

It seems to me that Gnus puts every person from `To: ' and `Cc: '
fields (of the message I'm replying to) into `Cc: ' field of the new
message, EXCEPT if the first part of the persons address
(i.e. everything before `@') is equal to my user name ("tdrabik").

It is quite convenient for avoiding unwanted duplicated mail, but it
doesn't work for me, because I'm using several mail addresses which
have different user name part.

So, when wide-replying to mail like this:

   From: "Domagoj Pavlesic" <domagoj@dizzy.hr>
   To: "Miro Rosandic" <miro@bug.hr>, "Toni Drabik" <toni.drabik@bug.hr>

I get something like this:

   To: "Domagoj Pavlesic" <domagoj@dizzy.hr>
   Cc: "Miro Rosandic" <miro@bug.hr>, "Toni Drabik" <toni.drabik@bug.hr>

Which basically means that I have to remove myself from `Cc: ' line.
Of course, I will forget to do that and eventually end up with two
copies of that message.  And it annoys the hell out of me...

Is there a way to prevent this?  I haven't found anything about it in
the manual.


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Toni Drabik <tdrabik@public.srce.hr>
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Re: Wide reply problems

[Kai Großjohann]

Toni Drabik <tdrabik@public.srce.hr> writes:

> It seems to me that Gnus puts every person from `To: ' and `Cc: '
> fields (of the message I'm replying to) into `Cc: ' field of the new
> message, EXCEPT if the first part of the persons address
> (i.e. everything before `@') is equal to my user name ("tdrabik").

See the variable rmail-dont-reply-to-names.  This is a strange name
for a Gnus variable, but that's really it!

This is even mentioned in the Message info file...

kai
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Re: Wide reply problems

[Toni Drabik]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Toni Drabik <tdrabik@public.srce.hr> writes:
> 
> > It seems to me that Gnus puts every person from `To: ' and `Cc: '
> > fields (of the message I'm replying to) into `Cc: ' field of the new
> > message, EXCEPT if the first part of the persons address
> > (i.e. everything before `@') is equal to my user name ("tdrabik").
> 
> See the variable rmail-dont-reply-to-names.  This is a strange name
> for a Gnus variable, but that's really it!

Thanks.


> This is even mentioned in the Message info file...

Indeed.  I was stupid enough to search only in Gnus info file... :-(

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Re: Wide reply problems

[Didier Verna]

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Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) wrote:

> Toni Drabik <tdrabik@public.srce.hr> writes:
> 
> > It seems to me that Gnus puts every person from `To: ' and `Cc: '
> > fields (of the message I'm replying to) into `Cc: ' field of the new
> > message, EXCEPT if the first part of the persons address
> > (i.e. everything before `@') is equal to my user name ("tdrabik").

        That's because the default value of `rmail-dont-reply-to-names' is
nil, which means exactly that.


> See the variable rmail-dont-reply-to-names.  This is a strange name
> for a Gnus variable, but that's really it!

        It doesn't seem to be a gnus variable. It's defined in the mail-lib
package (mail-utils.el) in XEmacs. Or maybe it's distributed with gnus in GNU
Emacs.

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Re: Wide reply problems

[Kai Großjohann]

Didier Verna <verna@inf.enst.fr> writes:

> > See the variable rmail-dont-reply-to-names.  This is a strange name
> > for a Gnus variable, but that's really it!
> 
>         It doesn't seem to be a gnus variable. It's defined in the mail-lib
> package (mail-utils.el) in XEmacs. Or maybe it's distributed with gnus in GNU
> Emacs.

Errr.  I meant to say it's a strange name for a variable that
influences Gnus' behavior.

I know that it is really an rmail variable and that Lars just used it
for Gnus, as well.  Yet, people are frequently surprised that they
should set a variable not starting with `gnus' or `nn' or `message' to
influence Gnus' behavior.

kai
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Re: Wide reply problems

[Didier Verna]

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Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) wrote:

> I know that it is really an rmail variable and that Lars just used it
> for Gnus, as well.  Yet, people are frequently surprised that they
> should set a variable not starting with `gnus' or `nn' or `message' to
> influence Gnus' behavior.

        You're right. Gnus should probably have its own, and then maybe
default to ramil's one if it's bound.

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Re: Wide reply problems

[Toni Drabik]

Didier Verna <verna@inf.enst.fr> writes:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) wrote:
> 
> > I know that it is really an rmail variable and that Lars just used it
> > for Gnus, as well.  Yet, people are frequently surprised that they
> > should set a variable not starting with `gnus' or `nn' or `message' to
> > influence Gnus' behavior.
> 
>         You're right. Gnus should probably have its own, and then maybe
> default to ramil's one if it's bound.

That's a good idea.  Trying to solve my problem, I've asked XEmacs to
show me a list of message-* variables.  Since I haven't found anything
useful in it, my (incorrect) conclusion was that Message mode has
nothing to do with it, and I haven't bothered to check the info file.

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Re: Wide reply problems

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Didier Verna <verna@inf.enst.fr> writes:

> > See the variable rmail-dont-reply-to-names.  This is a strange name
> > for a Gnus variable, but that's really it!
> 
>         It doesn't seem to be a gnus variable.

It's a "message" variable.  If you take a look at the guts of
`message-reply', you'll find this:

	      ;; Remove addresses that match `rmail-dont-reply-to-names'.
	      (insert (prog1 (rmail-dont-reply-to (buffer-string))
			(erase-buffer)))

I think it would be logical to do what Lars did with most of the other 
mail- and rmail- variables: invent a new, message-specific one, and
perhaps default it to the value of rmail- one, if it is available.

Re: Wide reply problems

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> 	      ;; Remove addresses that match `rmail-dont-reply-to-names'.
> 	      (insert (prog1 (rmail-dont-reply-to (buffer-string))
> 			(erase-buffer)))
> 
> I think it would be logical to do what Lars did with most of the other 
> mail- and rmail- variables: invent a new, message-specific one, and
> perhaps default it to the value of rmail- one, if it is available.

Yup.  Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97.

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