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[Shaun Lipscombe]

I used to have this header displayed via gnus-article-date-lapsed, in
the article display hook.  It no longer works.... (meaning it did with
gnus-04.06.45 but not with pgnus-0.95

Any clues?

Thanks :)

Shaun

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[Kai Großjohann]

Shaun Lipscombe <shaun.lipscombe@gasops.co.uk> writes:

> I used to have this header displayed via gnus-article-date-lapsed, in
> the article display hook.  It no longer works.... (meaning it did with
> gnus-04.06.45 but not with pgnus-0.95

Article display was changed from gnus-article-display-hook (or
some such) to a bunch of gnus-treat-* variables.

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[Shaun Lipscombe]

* "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:


 Kai> Article display was changed from gnus-article-display-hook (or
 Kai> some such) to a bunch of gnus-treat-* variables.

I have tried this but to no avail:

(setq gnus-treat-date-lapsed)
(setq gnus-treat-strip-pgp)
(setq gnus-treat-hide-boring-headers)
(setq gnus-treat-overstrike)
(setq gnus-treat-strip-leading-blank-lines)
(setq gnus-treat-strip-trailing-blank-lines)
(setq gnus-treat-strip-multiple-blank-lines)
(setq gnus-treat-highlight-highlight-headers)
(setq gnus-treat-emphasize)

This is what I had before:


(setq gnus-article-display-hook
      '(gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted 
        gnus-article-date-lapsed
        gnus-article-hide-pgp
        gnus-article-hide-boring-headers
        gnus-article-treat-overstrike
        gnus-article-de-quoted-unreadable
        gnus-article-strip-leading-blank-lines
        gnus-article-remove-trailing-blank-lines
        gnus-article-strip-multiple-blank-lines
        gnus-article-highlight
        gnus-article-emphasize))

Have I missed something stupid?

Thanks,

Shaun

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[Aaron M. Ucko]

Shaun Lipscombe <shaun.lipscombe@gasops.co.uk> writes:

> (setq gnus-treat-date-lapsed)

You appear to be missing a value here; Emacs defaults to nil, which is
almost certainly not what you want.  Try

        (setq gnus-treat-date-lapsed t)
                                     ^

etc.

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[Hrvoje Niksic]

Shaun Lipscombe <shaun.lipscombe@gasops.co.uk> writes:

> I have tried this but to no avail:
> 
> (setq gnus-treat-date-lapsed)
> (setq gnus-treat-strip-pgp)
> (setq gnus-treat-hide-boring-headers)
> (setq gnus-treat-overstrike)
> (setq gnus-treat-strip-leading-blank-lines)
> (setq gnus-treat-strip-trailing-blank-lines)
> (setq gnus-treat-strip-multiple-blank-lines)
> (setq gnus-treat-highlight-highlight-headers)
> (setq gnus-treat-emphasize)

`setq' is a special form that accepts an even number of arguments.

> Have I missed something stupid?

If calling setq with one argument is stupid then yes, you missed
something stupid.  :-)

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[Shaun Lipscombe]

Oh my god... I have been stupid.  Excuse: Hot day on Friday, and my
brain wasn't functioning properly.  Doh!

Cheers!

Shaun

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[Shaun Lipscombe]

* "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

 Kai> Shaun Lipscombe <shaun.lipscombe@gasops.co.uk> writes:
 >> I used to have this header displayed via gnus-article-date-lapsed,
 >> in the article display hook.  It no longer works.... (meaning it
 >> did with gnus-04.06.45 but not with pgnus-0.95

 Kai> Article display was changed from gnus-article-display-hook (or
 Kai> some such) to a bunch of gnus-treat-* variables.

I changed it to (setq gnus-treat-date-lapsed t) and it still doesn't
work :(

This is about the only thing that I have been unable to resolve since
switching from gnus 4.6.45 to pgnus.

Shaun

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[Karl Kleinpaste]

Shaun Lipscombe <shaun.lipscombe@gasops.co.uk> writes:
> I changed it to (setq gnus-treat-date-lapsed t) and it still doesn't
> work :(

Try (setq 'gnus-treat-date-lapsed 'head) instead.

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[Shaun Lipscombe]

* "Karl" == Karl Kleinpaste <karl@justresearch.com> writes:

 Karl> Shaun Lipscombe <shaun.lipscombe@gasops.co.uk> writes:
 >> I changed it to (setq gnus-treat-date-lapsed t) and it still
 >> doesn't work :(

 Karl> Try (setq 'gnus-treat-date-lapsed 'head) instead.

OK it works now :)

What I don't understand though, is why have 3 different values t 'head
and 'last.  I understand that 'head works on the headers, so what use
would t, and 'last have?

Thanks,

Shaun

P.S.  Also it seems that some things like article beautificaton is
enabled by default in pgnus, whereas in Gnus it had to be enabled.  I
have gnus-treat-emphasize set to non-nil for example, although I
didn't set it.  gnus-treat-highlight-headers is also set to head by
default.

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[Didier Verna]

Shaun Lipscombe <shaun.lipscombe@gasops.co.uk> writes:


> What I don't understand though, is why have 3 different values t 'head
> and 'last.  I understand that 'head works on the headers, so what use
> would t, and 'last have?

        Because Lars wants uniform specifications over all gnus-treat-*
variables. I think this is a real misconception because it leads to
meaningless values for some of these variables (like this one) and because
nothing prevents you from saying 'head to many different gnus-treat-date-*, in
which case the behavior is undefined (I mean, you can't guess what will
happen).

        But Lars seems to be hooked on this scheme.

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[Shaun Lipscombe]

* "dv" == Didier Verna <verna@inf.enst.fr> writes:

 dv> Because Lars wants uniform specifications over all gnus-treat-*
 dv> variables. I think this is a real misconception because it leads
 dv> to meaningless values for some of these variables (like this one)

Yes.  This is what confused me when I read the docs... some settings
don't make any sense.

An example:

gnus-treat-hide-signature 'head

Shaun

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[Hrvoje Niksic]

Didier Verna <verna@inf.enst.fr> writes:

> Shaun Lipscombe <shaun.lipscombe@gasops.co.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> > What I don't understand though, is why have 3 different values t 'head
> > and 'last.  I understand that 'head works on the headers, so what use
> > would t, and 'last have?
> 
> Because Lars wants uniform specifications over all gnus-treat-*
> variables.

The worst thing is that the docstrings are highly misleading.  All of
them say "Valid values are nil, t, `head', `last', an integer or a
predicate."

Although those values may be technically "valid", in the case
gnus-treat-date-lapsed, only nil and `head' are really meaningful.
The docstring should be helpful about what is really going on rather
than confuse matters for the user.

The manual is apparently even worse -- it just lists the variables and 
explains what the "predicate" stuff does.

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[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> The worst thing is that the docstrings are highly misleading.  All of
> them say "Valid values are nil, t, `head', `last', an integer or a
> predicate."

I'd welcome a patch that made the docstrings more helpful.

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