From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/50674 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jesper Harder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: charset=macintosh Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 00:05:41 +0100 Organization: http://purl.org/harder/ Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047078448 10296 80.91.224.249 (7 Mar 2003 23:07:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 23:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Sat Mar 08 00:07:27 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18rQw2-0002fw-00 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 00:07:26 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18rQw2-0008Ci-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:07:26 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:08:25 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10606 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:08:12 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 11374 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2003 23:07:08 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 11369 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 23:07:08 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (80.91.224.244) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 23:07:08 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby.gnus.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18rRGC-0005H7-00 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 00:28:16 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: localhost.localdomain!nobody Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 0xc3f952c5.esnxr1.ras.tele.dk Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1047079696 20280 195.249.82.197 (7 Mar 2003 23:28:16 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Mar 2003 23:28:16 GMT X-Face: ^RrvqCr7c,P$zTR:QED"@h9+BTm-"fjZJJ-3=OU7.)i/K]<.J88}s>'Z_$r; writes: > Jesper Harder writes: > >>> I also observed that even more users don't set the Mime headers at >>> all! And Gnus assumes UTF-8 for those postings >> >> That sounds like a bug. How can I reproduce it? > > Start Emacs in a UTF-8 locale: > > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 emacs > > and page thru some German newsgroup like de.rec.buecher (books) or > de.rec.fahrrad (bikes). Every 10th or 20th article will feature those > nice \321, \345, \432 decorations :) OK. I see a couple of ways to fix it: 1. gnus-default-charset's default value is deduced from the language environment: (defcustom gnus-default-charset (mm-guess-mime-charset) I don't think this is necessarily a good idea. Just because you're using UTF-8, mac-roman, EBCDIC or whatever on your local system doesn't mean that it's a good guess that you'll receive mail and news using this charset. So maybe `mm-guess-mime-charset' shouldn't choose some charsets -- UTF-8, UTF-16 and mac-roman would probably be likely candidates to exclude. 2. We could add more entries to `gnus-group-charset-alist'.