KOI8 in pgnus

KOI8 in pgnus

[Sergei Pokrovsky]

I've got no answer to my posting with the Subject: charset for sending
mail of 15 Nov 1999, Message-ID: <uud7tcuqx6.fsf@nbsp.nsk.su>; yet it
is important for me to decide whether pgnus is a suitable mail tool
for Russian.

So far I was unable to send a message in koi8-r from pgnus.  I can
post in iso-8859-* as I expect; but everything that I send in koi8-r
comes in iso-8859-5 (this message is an example).

Rmail with MULE does it as expected.

Can anyone send a koi8-r message from pgnus?

Is really so unimportant that pgnus fails to support the encoding
which is standard for e-mail in Russia?

Test koi8: проба

-- 
Sergei Pokrovsky

Re: KOI8 in pgnus

[Vladimir Volovich]

"SP" == Sergei Pokrovsky writes:

 SP> I've got no answer to my posting with the Subject: charset for
 SP> sending mail of 15 Nov 1999, Message-ID:
 SP> <uud7tcuqx6.fsf@nbsp.nsk.su>; yet it is important for me to
 SP> decide whether pgnus is a suitable mail tool for Russian.

 SP> So far I was unable to send a message in koi8-r from pgnus.  I
 SP> can post in iso-8859-* as I expect; but everything that I send in
 SP> koi8-r comes in iso-8859-5 (this message is an example).

 SP> Rmail with MULE does it as expected.

 SP> Can anyone send a koi8-r message from pgnus?

 SP> Is really so unimportant that pgnus fails to support the encoding
 SP> which is standard for e-mail in Russia?

Do you read this mailing list? :) Roman Belenov <roman@nstl.nnov.ru>
asked the same question on 12 Nov 1999 (see <5779.991112@nstl.nnov.ru>)
and i already answered it (see <m3aeogyk4l.fsf@vvv.vsu.ru>).

Yes, pgnus IS a suitable mail tool for Russian. It already supports
koi8-r and ALL other possible charsets: the support is quite generic,
and not gnus-specific.

For example, this message sent from pgnus, comes in koi8-r.

To send messages in Russian in koi8-r instead of iso-8859-5, put the
following magic line into your ~/.emacs (or ~/.gnus) file:

(put-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'prefered-coding-system 'koi8-r)

 SP> Test koi8: проба

	Best regards, -- Vladimir.

Re: KOI8 in pgnus

[Sergei Pokrovsky]

>>>>> In article <m3hfif2ajx.fsf@vvv.vsu.ru>, Vladimir Volovich <vvv@vvv.vsu.ru> writes:

  VV> "SP" == Sergei Pokrovsky writes:
...
  SP> So far I was unable to send a message in koi8-r from pgnus.  I
  SP> can post in iso-8859-* as I expect; but everything that I send
  SP> in koi8-r comes in iso-8859-5 (this message is an example).
...
  VV> Do you read this mailing list? :)

Yes, since Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:54:27 -0600 (CST)  :)


  VV> Roman Belenov <roman@nstl.nnov.ru> asked the same question on 12
  VV> Nov 1999 (see <5779.991112@nstl.nnov.ru>) and i already answered
  VV> it (see <m3aeogyk4l.fsf@vvv.vsu.ru>).

Thank you, I've tried your recipe and it helps; though I think Roman
is right that this is an unobvious way, and thus this question is
bound to re-emerge again and again as somebody else would come to use
gnus+koi8.

I even doubt that this is a right way to do it; it quite suffices for
my needs, but it is imaginable that somebody would like to correspond
in different charsets in different groups: it may happen that some
Windows-specific mailing list is using CP-1251 (not for me!!).  So I
too would expect this problem to be addressed at a group level, as
Roman did.

-- 
Sergei

Re: KOI8 in pgnus

[Sergei Pokrovsky]

>>>>> In article <m3hfif2ajx.fsf@vvv.vsu.ru>, Vladimir Volovich <vvv@vvv.vsu.ru> writes:

...

  VV> Yes, pgnus IS a suitable mail tool for Russian. It already
  VV> supports koi8-r and ALL other possible charsets: the support is
  VV> quite generic, and not gnus-specific.

Here is another problem: my pgnus does not recognize charset="koi8-u",
which also is used for messages in Russian, e.g. in Message-ID:
<813ien$lf9$1@news.lucky.net>.  Is it supposed to be in Ukrainian?
Should koi8-u be specified as a valid encoding for Russian?

I've made it ignored for relcom.talk, and it works, still it is not a
correct way to deal with the problem.

-- 
Sergei Pokrovsky

Re: KOI8 in pgnus

[Vladimir Volovich]

"SP" == Sergei Pokrovsky writes:

 SP> Here is another problem: my pgnus does not recognize
 SP> charset="koi8-u", which also is used for messages in Russian,
 SP> e.g. in Message-ID: <813ien$lf9$1@news.lucky.net>.  Is it
 SP> supposed to be in Ukrainian?  Should koi8-u be specified as a
 SP> valid encoding for Russian?

To get a faked support for reading messages in koi8-u, use the
following:

(define-coding-system-alias 'koi8-u 'koi8-r)

Real support for koi8-u could/should be added (but currently, it is
not achievable fully, as Emacs' internal encoding does not support the
letter ghe with upturn used in koi8-u).

If you will also need to read messages in windows-1251, add the
following lines:

(codepage-setup 1251)
(define-coding-system-alias 'windows-1251 'cp1251)

Similarly simple is to add support for cp866, etc. :)

	Best regards, -- Vladimir.
-- 
While money can't buy happiness, it certainly lets you choose your own
form of misery.

Re: KOI8 in pgnus

[Vladimir Volovich]

"SP" == Sergei Pokrovsky writes:

 SP> I even doubt that this is a right way to do it; it quite suffices
 SP> for my needs, but it is imaginable that somebody would like to
 SP> correspond in different charsets in different groups: it may
 SP> happen that some Windows-specific mailing list is using CP-1251
 SP> (not for me!!).  So I too would expect this problem to be
 SP> addressed at a group level, as Roman did.

I agree. It would be nice if gnus will have a variable which will
allow to chose the preferred charset to be used when posting on a
per-group basis.

	Best regards, -- Vladimir.
-- 
You can fool some of the people all of the time,
and all of the people some of the time,
but you can make a fool of yourself anytime.

Re: KOI8 in pgnus

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Vladimir Volovich <vvv@vvv.vsu.ru> writes:

> To send messages in Russian in koi8-r instead of iso-8859-5, put the
> following magic line into your ~/.emacs (or ~/.gnus) file:
> 
> (put-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'prefered-coding-system 'koi8-r)

Thanks; I've now added this (as well as the charset alias examples) to 
the "Charsets" section in the manual.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen