From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/51974 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steve Youngs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Oort doesn't really support XEmacs 21.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:44:11 +1000 Organization: The XEmacs Development Team Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1051656738 3798 80.91.224.249 (29 Apr 2003 22:52:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: xemacs,support,exist,doesn,months,hat,gnus,arg Original-X-From: ding-owner+M517@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Apr 30 00:52:17 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19AdwM-0000sv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:51:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19AdxB-0004I3-00; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:52:01 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19Adx6-0004Hy-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:51:56 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 34218 invoked by alias); 29 Apr 2003 22:51:55 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 34213 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 22:51:55 -0000 Original-Received: from mta07bw.bigpond.com (144.135.24.134) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 22:51:55 -0000 Original-Received: from eicq.dnsalias.org ([144.135.24.78]) by mta07bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HE400HQYNBLY7@mta07bw.email.bigpond.com> for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:47:47 +1000 (EST) Original-Received: from ESS-p-144-138-77-2.mega.tmns.net.au ([144.138.77.2]) by bwmam04.bigpond.com(MAM V3.3.2 29/1156308); Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:49:03 +0000 Original-Received: (from steve@localhost) by eicq.dnsalias.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) id h3TMiB9P028509; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:44:11 +1000 X-URL: X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43;M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Original-To: Gnus List Mail-followup-to: Gnus List Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.09002 (Oort Gnus v0.20) XEmacs/21.5 (carrot, linux) X-Attribution: SY Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:51974 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:51974 Hi Folks (Lars in particular), I just patched dgnushack.el so Gnus can be built with XEmacs 21.1 [1] and in the process discovered a few functions that are being called incorrectly (wrong number of args). The functions in question are: `open-network-stream' - "PROTOCOL" arg doesn't exist `read-string' - "DEFAULT-VALUE" arg doesn't exist `completing-read' - "DEFAULT" arg doesn't exist Do you want me to fix those for 5.10? There is also `string-to-multibyte' which doesn't exist on XEmacs 21.1, I could just defalias that to `ignore'. And there is a whole stack of... "Variable reference to constant :prefix" being spewed out from 'nnmaildir.el'. What can I do about those? I suppose all of this raises the question: "Do we continue to support XEmacs 21.1 seeing as though it has been retired as the stable branch?". [Replaces Gnus hat with XEmacs hat] Our "quasi-official" word is that we will continue to support XEmacs 21.1 for a short period (6-12 months). After that, support will progressively decrease until non-existent. We have committed to supporting XEmacs 21.1 for the packages we distribute for at least 6 months (in reality it will probably be 12 months). Even now, most support requests from 21.1 users will be met with a recommendation to upgrade to current stable branch (21.4), as any bugs found in 21.1 are not likely to be fixed. [Puts Gnus hat back on] So there you go. Footnotes: [1] The new command line options used when building with XEmacs uncovered a couple of problems. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |---------------------------------------|