From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64521 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Didier Verna Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mixing whitespace and topical changes Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:17:03 +0200 Organization: The Gnus Project Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176729554 19137 80.91.229.12 (16 Apr 2007 13:19:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:19:14 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: ding-owner+M13032@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Apr 16 15:19:07 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HdR6o-0002ln-BT for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:19:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdR5X-0004I4-44; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:17:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdR5U-0004Hd-0o for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:17:44 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdR5N-0001t2-OU for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:17:43 -0500 Original-Received: from 2.139.39-62.rev.gaoland.net ([62.39.139.2] helo=kualalumpur.lrde.epita.fr) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1HdR5M-0005Qo-00 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:17:36 +0200 Original-Received: from uzeb.lrde.epita.fr ([192.168.101.53]) by kualalumpur.lrde.epita.fr with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HdR4p-0005sP-Q3 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:17:03 +0200 Original-Received: by uzeb.lrde.epita.fr (Postfix, from userid 17030) id 9CEF25E239; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:17:03 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Reiner Steib's message of "Wed\, 11 Apr 2007 21\:05\:34 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.20 (linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAACVBMVEVMOy7DqJqfeGSiQATG AAAACXBIWXMAAAsSAAALEgHS3X78AAABqElEQVQozx3SwYqkMBAG4OqwLo137zLg4PgUs4eFOTbN lkw89Q5EWp8i9KnJaVmIoCc3oOj/lFvx+PFXikoldCGCHlm3/T+mG9HaGs8DwPRO6rVlrn3zjKBl HEUxIVJrWzNz22dkSY3aCBp4QaqnNSZNcZQZ1vFQIgmZgfGy132E2jWCVfufE82kfHdfN7faE21E E/co37RV1FvytbdZxd+JxpsaTbNlb/U3RfpLLWODX3tNCXV3NZgJoeA5IT09vDbAwjajTgO+rTFw SMjoMGrWYP7ISErWhYdu9L0nbt0uM0si92n4sXdc1wN/FfTpHbznybBMfck+JOHG81WgAuTW8HxJ ZDvPalrqvTO3COuMbhbjbCI7cBgNplBSJrDVIiM9zxSXWLoBD+By4OEm5NjtgdztACZ1iiCpWRHS JOK8AcW05QfSkGJvYQ+USsCgA5VT8lCg7Gg92+Cw5QfUNpdVE2YfEVAqt8JGvDk885cKFLHPCGeS F2JB8cAW25Dg3T9T5LHPb/kuqwshTqh+MF2nFG6O+Mn0OW14/RsjGeeKOzb5Z2cq+D/3q8srEWJb 9QAAACZ6VFh0Q29tbWVudAAAeNpzLkpNLElNUSjPLMlQCMlIVXD39A0AAFLnByOQy2VwAAAAGnpU WHRKUEVHLUNvbG9yc3BhY2UAAHjaMwIAADMAMxEWfmMAAAAnelRYdEpQRUctU2FtcGxpbmctZmFj dG9ycwAAeNozqjDSMawwBGEAEYMC6WQPG2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Face: d4(IejAqsvg2bycp(MQv4$o+3H>AJ;6W'',{WWr5-['_`5,2D#U[/%o5.\+JIn:MV[iT.P; Ta:@Ia'5$DazY9MVKXS85}lit-o.[._P9d]#l#*~zJ#'6:?)z*RS8$8U\yXwLrg19B(*0GXU3h6@GL Xh?G=R%5;7f5[KC'LBBDf]"S@`&h@%|SV/^4Ta?"IVqW X-Attribution: dvl X-Web: http://www.gnus.org X-Url: http://www.gnus.org X-Home-Page: http://www.gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64521 Archived-At: Reiner Steib wrote: > please avoid committing lots of whitespace changes mixed with topical > changes. Reiner, I can understand your concern (I guess it mainly has to do with synchronizing between the GNU Emacs version and the CVS version), but I'm not ready to change my setup (all whitespace cleanup is done automatically and I never see them in diffs) until this issue has been officially resolved. I've tried to raise it several times in the past but didn't get any interest from anybody. Note that I will accept whatever decision the majority adopts, even if it goes against me :-) Let me restate my position: I believe that the right thing to do is to have whitespace-cleanup on write-file-hooks for everybody committing to Gnus. This is simple to achieve, this effectively removes any such problems and this makes the files [automatically] cleaner. There's also the question of the info files on which I only got a "I've heard that it is better this way" sort of message.[1] Sorry to be a little pushy on this, but whitespace.el functions on a major-mode basis and not on a file-name basis, so I would need some trickery to make it stop working on Gnus files, so I really want a discussion about this before. Footnotes:=20 [1] FWIW, texinfo-mode is on whitespace-modes by default, and I'd never heard any complaint about this until a few days ago. --=20 Didier Verna, didier@lrde.epita.fr, http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier EPITA / LRDE, 14-16 rue Voltaire Tel.+33 (1) 44 08 01 85 94276 Le Kremlin-Bic=EAtre, France Fax.+33 (1) 53 14 59 22 didier@xemac= s.org