From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/73939 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Didier Verna Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Improving Gnus speed Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:35:15 +0100 Organization: The Gnus Project Message-ID: References: <798w12h5zi.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1289320570 31187 80.91.229.12 (9 Nov 2010 16:36:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 16:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: Richard Riley Original-X-From: ding-owner+M22308@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Nov 09 17:36:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFrAt-0002q0-Gu for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:35:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PFrAI-0002dC-OA; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:35:22 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PFrAG-0002ct-Kq for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:35:20 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFrAD-0008AK-T7 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:35:20 -0600 Original-Received: from smtp.lrde.epita.fr ([62.39.139.2] helo=kualalumpur.lrde.epita.fr) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1PFrAC-0002Da-00 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:35:17 +0100 Original-Received: from uzeb.lrde.epita.fr ([192.168.101.53] ident=postfix) by kualalumpur.lrde.epita.fr with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PFrAB-0000jj-Ir; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:35:15 +0100 Original-Received: by uzeb.lrde.epita.fr (Postfix, from userid 17030) id 759EC1EC111; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:35:15 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <798w12h5zi.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> (Richard Riley's message of "Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:27:45 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) XEmacs/21.5-b29 (linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEXdlFimTBPozrUNDgwj GhHPbygPBgZEnuwfAAACU0lEQVQ4jWWUwXKkIBCGG0tylirYszGzOe8WlGcdOpwhFZ5Aivd/hP3B mWST+asctT/7p7vRoQV6Pny1UAn7YoT3V8SoAV98i9tQ/DaNhcv1BJdqj068W8v2yxZ2Jwh+PYEL JTBXF8K1gYtfrVu714GUw8OLOyirs58KfAQu5QqweutrR84ftiC3AtHyFOrhj26FOOz84YJ3dAk3 /5uOnmotXdbz+q56B6/HWh4AnqUX+5hRmAO9hOMbgNZQAUKoP+Kt2lCorusD4CiYXA3/k9Zozcpo wvnLy3nrjvBmlFIA67dFii9K7R18FtNSa7B/VFY/QPtlZ9SkRCb7Q6WIlJVIDyDsMeWc7lZf65dp ikaqm1U9S2acNwOrlHYqbew11FID9o03lZIxiUeqdS1NnOIkyeTJpCTixgAYZS17JIE1TRYx72Eb mYQK19e6t2g2uSnyldkTiah1oHfUaFQ2MeasWY9XgmJSURFKSYakJMn8umvEBxwGAzUyKvOOu5H5 r2gZNNNdw7IMy8xuG0+wzMO8DBDiOPT+pu/PNd1OUnxoo+8W1JNOzVIkSUrlfMs6wbyQRDeEYtAa Loab3YzRoifiXfWOY54agiflGFMkZiDIZPTZzGDbHZZZ7wnJKj8LPRrcwzli2faZm9SWUXnnbRwW kwmjbuA3ElLMkrRC+RN8BryiHfR5SyEVR6NSprH4Dlrd2CId1RtmHIm42DvA3slpElmMyhhZDtfA 3H1aK9jej7eJPoKr/U+m7ygayQaLRZWeqi8doKoo8dJMaUPZY9Rs/T+s6ONr6XeNpwAAAABJRU5E rkJggg== X-Face: %_h6{7j{G{a5eS.S+E5mfa-D78Ci>}HGu}.qvW{;M7$+@17`Z(}j,"yO_!z5|}W|]Es=P_> ^u*}:XpKb-U-D]ti~#Sf&L,tWu.YiUoG*.jbp:JfD;LnPS}U xm1D2)hIrF$O(T-`tV'AD{:xPQnpO#k]/[%"0vfL+c]^Mkp5J#nL>dcO~]> X-Attribution: dvl X-Web: http://www.gnus.org X-Url: http://www.gnus.org X-Home-Page: http://www.gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:73939 Archived-At: Richard Riley wrote: > And that means what? Its just indicative of the complexity of the > product and the rather famous Gnus Manual in particular. No, it is indicative of the fact that its needs more energy to implement mail reading in Gnus than only news reading (and also that it is more complex to do it). And since this work has been done, as the documentation proves), it is indicative of the fact that reading mail in Gnus is in fact at least as important as reading news (since people are willing to spend so much time and energy on it). > Its not for nothing #emacs and other resources are constantly full of > new adopters pleading for help in getting their email working with > Gnus. Err, exactly my point, thanks for supporting me. New adopters indeed want to get help reading mail with Gnus. This means that new adopters want to read mail with Gnus. So Gnus is a mail reader (at least as much as it is a news reader). > Gnus can most certainly be thought of as primarily a newsreader in my > mind Not in mine. It is primarily a mail reader for me (but of course you're entitled to think otherwise). The other poster was also right in saying that Gnus is a way of life. More precisely, the way of life in question is to handle mail in a news-like way (auto-expiry etc). Just for the anecdote, I almost got to writing a Gnus book for O'Reilly France some years ago. The editor contacted me about it and while we were discussing the contents and organization, he said that in order to reach the broadest possible audience, the quickstart had to show how to use nnimap as the primary select method... In fact, I would really like if we had serious statistics about Gnus usage, and I wouldn't be surprised if people read more mails than news with it. > and most certainly your claim that its NOT a news reader must be a > joke. It is isn't it?? No, it's not a joke. It's a news/mail reader and you've got to acknowledge the fact that reading mail with it is at least as important as reading news with it. Guys, remember the original question ? The OP found it paradoxical that Gnus development discussion happens on a mailing list. I maintain that if you get that sort of feeling, it's because your view of what Gnus really is wrong. -- Resistance is futile. You will be jazzimilated. Scientific site: http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier Music (Jazz) site: http://www.didierverna.com