From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64560 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Didier Verna Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: The type of gnus-ignored-from-addresses Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:21:20 +0200 Organization: The Gnus Project Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177485785 28009 80.91.229.12 (25 Apr 2007 07:23:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: Katsumi Yamaoka Original-X-From: ding-owner+M13071@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Apr 25 09:23:02 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hgbq6-0006HR-Jp for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:22:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HgbpD-00060q-S7; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:22:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HgbpA-00060Z-8X for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:22:00 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hgbp7-0001Az-S7 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:21:59 -0500 Original-Received: from 2.139.39-62.rev.gaoland.net ([62.39.139.2] helo=kualalumpur.lrde.epita.fr) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Hgbp1-0004RM-00 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:21:51 +0200 Original-Received: from uzeb.lrde.epita.fr ([192.168.101.53]) by kualalumpur.lrde.epita.fr with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HgboW-0002Mp-O1; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:21:20 +0200 Original-Received: by uzeb.lrde.epita.fr (Postfix, from userid 17030) id 5E8C85E239; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:21:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Wed\, 25 Apr 2007 08\:49\:41 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.20 (linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEVGPjeSb12npqTCraKk hnVNW01DAAAACXBIWXMAAAsSAAALEgHS3X78AAABvklEQVQ4y11UC7LbIAwUTA8Ab3wAvPgAHegB 6ozvf6buCkJoZL9MRuv9SDjP8MJZEEsBIsvM9McCfuBVIi/dNi48oy0C76KKg0EdFP9YTen58+fg CDLe7oNVkbrUirakZp+XpKL3sTGkpNxlQquuC7SMntWB1lAd+VtOfCZpQG3eHzERYO7fa4czyhgg nOrzS+21OsVmhegLMXaHyRugjJNb7xVdjPSBlLe32ip455DnmkYqtqWGrErO0hOQlIQQkiPTPypV byRdOR/HG/AlNteqJef7fgMmRiOB1vfxPM89gSKktq65800Pas28mrxJ7M+RlGZShgelgN+BY6je o0TtytPeJCyTWJKnavX8dSdjsLzWYlAm4HiSApMwOInnwX7Dc6TMwDm5TfRUOij1ZDEBl/JN3Wwe DoQw1mUaA109VwqLwbNA6+wfjzNS+qQiBGYlJYeNMV8FhhXD1iR+sgDFFWwJ6U30lTCNlNI+uYAr uEWynaE+kkZj2o2BNqRS3h4XUB2Zqwj5fymUt8aXx3pz8xfjfI0fQcjfjNc5gBB2IDLvK3152/wp D+ONYPqHgJ9LhO0wBoPYWF7eGP8AmltaZMku+bUAAAAmelRYdENvbW1lbnQAAHjacy5KTSxJTVEo zyzJUAjJSFVw9/QNAABS5wcjkMtlcAAAABp6VFh0SlBFRy1Db2xvcnNwYWNlAAB42jMCAAAzADMR Fn5jAAAAJ3pUWHRKUEVHLVNhbXBsaW5nLWZhY3RvcnMAAHjaM6ow0jGsMARhABGDAulkDxtiAAAA AElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: 9(xNRWK.*)B)r&k3 Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64560 Archived-At: Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: > Thanks for improving it. But I think it is better not to load a Gnus > module (i.e., gnus-util.el) at all times since, in principle, > message.el is a module independent of Gnus. > > In texi/gnus-coding.texi: > ,---- > | 1.1.5 message > | > | All message composition from Gnus (both mail and news) takes place in > | Message mode buffers. Message mode is intended to be a replacement for > | Emacs mail mode. There should be no Gnus dependencies in `message.el'. > `---- But gnus-util is a special case because it doesn't 'require any other part of Gnus[1]; it's really a utility library. > For instance, there might be those who use message.el without Gnus but > don't use it for replying. Although many Gnus functions are actually > used there, they were all designed so as to be autoloaded. Sorry, I don't understand this paragraph. Are you suggesting that I put an autoload cookie on gnus-orify-regexp instead of requiring gnus-util ? That would only merely delay the time of loading gnus-util. Point is, I don't want to introduce redundancy for something needed both in Gnus and in Message. Footnotes:=20 [1] modulo some redundant defvar's at the top of it (a sign of bad design at some point BTW) --=20 Read the Jazz Blog !! http://jazzblog.didierverna.com Didier Verna, didier@lrde.epita.fr, http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier EPITA / LRDE, 14-16 rue Voltaire Tel.+33 (1) 44 08 01 85 94276 Le Kremlin-Bic=EAtre, France Fax.+33 (1) 53 14 59 22 didier@xemac= s.org