From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75197 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Poll time: Topics should default to on or off? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:32:12 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87sjxxdu1f.fsf@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292581978 3348 80.91.229.12 (17 Dec 2010 10:32:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:32:58 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23552@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Dec 17 11:32:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PTXcL-0001Bg-7y for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:32:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PTXbo-0002Wo-Re; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:32:20 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PTXbm-0002WW-Tq for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:32:18 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTXbl-0000VA-FY for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:32:18 -0600 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.214.45]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTXbk-0007sk-8n for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:32:16 +0100 Original-Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so742919bwz.32 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:32:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:organization :references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=ixb54fjnD7mwNF1MauEuq5ykzQIO5kITJ+mT+EGibOk=; b=hf1Dl0fpP2uD8yYDm+X6O7fouvAgHOjF5hzI9QSkGkmOBmAGYK5YxqNkfuOXVm2jcq d4EfywYBoRavsRKHVq5ZdCL9sDrkkbpj4xQTL/TazTh0dqxVwVC/XPZ3ER/eOEa7jvCu 1QUYI7RaaGXRLtEDgpAXPEZEGAt2rUFssxclY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:organization:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=cWbgLRyMoDg/wXBJ97Qpa9CV/7ve9v2enZ2PkyTjM94+TxXYkigqDbk4ZRhQNZeyjJ ONkhY4inDU5rrHgB2MwTeGK8xH4WczyGQZJLvXZKR/3Fjru+46XjsDopxwp5H/qMiwm+ xjkL92oInNOeEZ7gSYuvvavTO8GIDhqyB+QR8= Original-Received: by 10.204.33.73 with SMTP id g9mr442317bkd.157.1292581935862; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:32:15 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost ([85.183.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s14sm1494344bkb.4.2010.12.17.02.32.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:32:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87sjxxdu1f.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:15:08 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75197 Archived-At: jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > I think I tried them once before you all were born, but now at age 50, > "I feel they would just confuse the older user. Best to leave them for > the eager beavers who try everything they find in the manual." > Topics are a very valuable and powerful subset of gnus and easily get missed by the newcomer drowning in Gnus complexities. I've been using it for years now and am totally flummoxed by agent categories for example, not to mention the recent changes to spam handling. Have them turned with a sensible default on and people know they are there and can go from there. It is important to visually differentiate between groups of mail groups and nntp groups for example and topics aid that. Not to mention the ability to build a hierarchy with topics to better organise your email and nntp. Expert or older users can turn them off easily enough.