From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78107 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: agent/fetch only articles from certain levels Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:15:44 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87zkokei6u.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <3waagj1nen.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <87lj03v23l.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87zkojjioy.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <8762r79fb0.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87ipv69ahl.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871v1uaopg.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <877hbm9hh5.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301213923 14014 80.91.229.12 (27 Mar 2011 08:18:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:18:43 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26418@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Mar 27 10:18:37 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3lBE-0005jX-6O for ding-account@gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:18:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3lAz-0005dw-Kv; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:18:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3lAx-0005dh-MD for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:18:19 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3lAw-0006Ck-13 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:18:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3lAv-0007LM-5a for ding@gnus.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:18:17 +0200 Original-Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so2349026wyb.17 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:18:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization :message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JJGUp8JRJ4EGZwAnG6p5JARLAMbfEbdO0v9/gWfO2Qo=; b=bsdKdMmOfl8UfDfo9kGXsObWNi2OggtTfit2sk/oTpPaFkAHYnmmZtHRWLJGuEEl6F ihAJV5ZwzpQIJC07DfzkQ9Y8Y8DmtPZAimoozGjqaWnGHJ801yBtCTryVA+U+BrE5dOf nKK0YI5+UWnjR50FvlVc7K1wNrKk9myMbs5rE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FPP7UAWOSKAopDSfVe34dobs3mm9ZRILdLWXJBT7jvYYRwUKL/G1wi4SN/qxC2G7Rl yF0X5JAMRmg170GLapp827rtzOC6pmAd8pI/a3jBid23Ksl5oUt5qeUm+QyvChpIMdCM hYoyO/DX/Ho0Hskv+IANYeUefW+CDcEWOhA1s= Original-Received: by 10.227.200.138 with SMTP id ew10mr2581176wbb.21.1301213891234; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus1015pem (175.Red-217-126-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net [217.126.211.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm1364520wbg.11.2011.03.27.01.18.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from shamrock by asus1015pem with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3kFL-00055a-DJ for ding@gnus.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:18:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877hbm9hh5.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> ("Adam \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Sj\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?\=C3\=B8gren\=22's\?\= message of "Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:47:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110015 (No Gnus v0.15) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78107 Archived-At: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=C3=B8gren) writes: > On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:45:15 +0100, Richard wrote: > >> asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=C3=B8gren) writes: > >>> What I got from reading it is that groups from servers in select-method >>> and secondary-select-methods are called native and other groups are >>> called foreign. Seems quite straightforward? > >> Except they the are not. Since the gnus-activate-foreign-newsgroups >> applies to groups created from secondary select methods. > > So the manual is wrong and you have a better understanding - which puts > you in an excellent position to improve the manual. Thanks in advance! > > Best regards, > > Adam You continually mention people being confused with the manual rewriting it. This discussion is to clarify how it is, how it should or maybe just how to improve it. If I knew how it should and could work for the masses perhaps I could do this. As it is I see this discussion with Eric as a valuable "real use" exercise and discussion in honing Gnus to work better for the end user. I dont have the solutions just on my own limited experience so changing the manual would seem a tad premature considering its me learning how gnus works. It never ceases to amaze me how others use the same features. All I know is that at this minute using agent in a cost restricted "mostly disconnected" arena its confusing and a few things simply dont work (see multiple IMAP selection methods mentioned earlier). In the case above how would I correct the manual? Perhaps the code is wrong? Perhaps the concept is wrong. I dont know. What I do know is that its not clear and the discussion with Eric is helping to clarify end user use cases which might lead to either bug fixes, manual changes and/or functionality redesign. If you can comment on that then please do. Thanks in advance! ;)