From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/47880 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Fran=E7ois?= Pinard) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: UTF-8 breakage (was: Re: Gnus 5.9.0 - Arithmetic error) Date: 25 Nov 2002 22:06:56 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <84d6otk0a6.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1038279993 537 80.91.224.249 (26 Nov 2002 03:06:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jesper Harder , ding@gnus.org Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18GW3T-00008V-00 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 04:06:31 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18GW4a-0003wd-00; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:07:40 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:08:28 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@[209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20561 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:08:09 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 22663 invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2002 03:06:57 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 22658 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 03:06:57 -0000 Original-Received: from jaseur.sram.qc.ca (postfix@207.35.30.8) by gnus.org with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 03:06:57 -0000 Original-Received: from carouge.sram.qc.ca.progiciels-bpi.ca (carouge-207.sram.qc.ca [207.35.30.105]) by jaseur.sram.qc.ca (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.2 (i386)) with ESMTP id 48BD13736C; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 04:06:56 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Matthias Andree X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m Original-Lines: 67 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.92 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:47880 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:47880 [Matthias Andree] > pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (Fran=E7ois Pinard) writes: > >> pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (Fran=E7=AF=A9s Pinard) writes: > ^ > I can smell utf-8 breakage here.... looks like some Chinese symbol. There was some breakage indeed. I'm quoting below the edited copy I go for my own outgoing message, after having replaced non-ASCII characters by `[0x...]' to make very clear what they were. From the headers, it seem that the message left the place in quoted-printable. Was it quoted-printable over UTF-8? I cannot say. Conversion back to 8 bits occurred automatically, and this might have produced some Latin-1 characters. I guess one needs a lot of administrative power along the way to really trace down all this mess. :-) The abnormality I see is that the message encoding is said to be UTF-8, but the c-cedilla in the second line of attribution was Latin-1. Surely, it should have been UTF-8 there. However, in the same message, the c-cedilla in the signature seems correctly written in UTF-8. Besides the various MTAs, it might be an Emacs or a Gnus problem. Emacs is surely a complex program for the poor little me, but Mule is an area within Emacs where I feel particularily lost 1/2 :-). I feel overwhelmed! :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------> X-From-Line: pinard@IRO.UMontreal.CA Sun Nov 25 17:12:21 2002 [...] Sender: pinard@sram.qc.ca To: Jesper Harder Cc: ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: Gnus 5.9.0 - Arithmetic error [...] From: pinard@IRO.UMontreal.CA (=3D?iso-8859-1?q?Fran=3DE7ois?=3D Pinard) Date: 25 Nov 2002 17:12:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: [...] Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.92 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mercure.iro.umontrea= l.ca id gAPMCLO8020161 [...] [Jesper Harder] > pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (Fran[0xE7]ois Pinard) writes: > > At first glance, I would believe that `M P a' should mark all articles, > > as its name implies. > `M P b' does (nearly) the same thing. It is faster and generally > better unless you want to decode some multipart binary. Does `M P b' > also trigger the error? `M P b' does not trigger the error on the offending article, and does indeed mark all articles. Thanks for the suggestion. --=20 Fran[0xC3A7]ois Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard ----------------------------------------------------------------------< --=20 Fran=C3=A7ois Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard