From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/16277 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus and Emacs 20.3 and MIME Date: 25 Aug 1998 10:21:10 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035155171 26773 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 23:06:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (gwyn.tux.org [207.96.122.8]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA19684 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:47:04 -0700 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14433 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:48:18 -0400 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAK11727; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:46:34 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:44:22 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11714 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:44:04 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from pluton.rtsq.qc.ca (pluton.grics.qc.ca [199.84.132.10]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21216 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by pluton.rtsq.qc.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id KAA24338; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:21:36 -0400 Original-Received: by icule.progiciels-bpi.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA01302; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:21:10 -0400 Original-To: Kai Grossjohann X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m writes: > What do you guys use for this combination? [...] I just want a fairly > workable solution that carries me over until Gnus groks MIME. I peeked a bit around, and decided for `mime-compose.el' at message composition time. It only handles flat multipart (which I do not create often anyway), and it looks like enough for now -- I only mean here that I can live with that, not that I'm really satisfied. For single part messages like this one, a simple hook adds the necessary fields in the header, so the various sendmails around here could do on-the-fly conversion to quoted-printable for sites having older (or misconfigured :-) sendmails. At message read time, I manage with a few simple Emacs functions I wrote, which call a recent pretest of `recode' under the scene to do specific decodings. Sometimes, rarely, for more complex messages, I `o' the message into a Babyl file and visit it, so to trigger `rmime.el'. Once again, I can live with that, even if not satisfied. I used TM/SEMI for a while, not getting discouraged by installation complexities, until they dropped Gnus support as a patch over Gnus. TM/SEMI is surely a very competent and featureful effort. Despite I prefer being collaborative, I did not like much that they distribute a parallel branch of Gnus, and decided to stick more closely to the original Gnus development. Moreover, if I dare to say, despite MIME undoubtly has its own complexities, I think MIME should be nothing more than an aspect of Gnus, and all things should be kept in proportion. We should at least _aim_ that Gnus has a MIME implementation which stays simple and non-obtrusive. So, I'm ready to stay a bit MIME-less until Gnus groks MIME, which hopefully will happen soon. -- François Pinard mailto:pinard@iro.umontreal.ca Join the free Translation Project! http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard