From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/10858 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Pinard) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus date suggestion Date: 03 May 1997 10:53:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035150659 26803 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 21:50:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "(ding) Gnus Mailing List" , XEmacs Beta Discussion List Return-Path: Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by deanna.miranova.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15016 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 08:07:34 -0700 Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 16:55:22 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 23548 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 1997 14:53:07 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23545 invoked from network); 3 May 1997 14:53:07 -0000 Original-Received: from rtsq.grics.qc.ca (root@199.84.132.10) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 3 May 1997 14:53:07 -0000 Original-Received: by rtsq.grics.qc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id KAA27542; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:53:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rtsq.grics.qc.ca: uicule set sender to pinard@icule.progiciels-bpi.ca using -f Original-Received: by icule.progiciels-bpi.ca (8.8.4/8.7.3) id KAA00629; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:53:28 -0400 Original-To: "Jason R. Mastaler" X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m writes: | pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (François Pinard) writes: | | > I seriously suggest that we switch to ISO 8601, which is a much more | > sounded standard, and truly international. Take a look at: | > http://www.ft.uni-erlangen.de/~mskuhn/iso-time.html. | David Moore originally had a suggestion of making this customizable | with a format for displaying article times. I think this should appeal | TO everyone. Lars has always shown vivid interest in internationalisation of Gnus. Internationalising a program is preparing it so it can later be localised for various habits and countries. We should well identify if a program (or part of a program) has been internationalised. Those programs (or parts) could then easily be bent to national habits, if not even personal taste. In widely distributed programs, and for those parts *not* having been internationalised, international standards should always prevail over national standards. Moreover, such international standards should also be selected even for internationalised parts, when localisation information has not been provided or otherwise selected by users. The usual wrong thing with dates is using local American habits in wide distribution contexts (like mail and news) for when programs have *not* been internationalised, or by default. ISO 8601 would be a good default. -- François Pinard pinard@iro.umontreal.ca Support Programming Freedom, join our League! Ask lpf@lpf.org for info