From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/13827 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: François Pinard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus date suggestion Date: 08 Feb 1998 14:06:05 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.92 - "Oyanagi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035153123 11383 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:32:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kyle Jones , joda@pdc.kth.se (Johan Danielsson), "(ding) Gnus Mailing List" , XEmacs Beta Discussion List , Alain =?ISO-8859-1?Q?La?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bont=E9?= Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04262 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:34:11 -0800 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11627 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:30:58 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAN02501; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:07:26 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:29:25 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09703 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:29:15 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 8800 invoked by uid 504); 8 Feb 1998 19:29:11 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 8797 invoked from network); 8 Feb 1998 19:29:11 -0000 Original-Received: from pluton.grics.qc.ca (HELO pluton.rtsq.qc.ca) (root@199.84.132.10) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 1998 19:29:10 -0000 Original-Received: by pluton.rtsq.qc.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id OAA26208; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:29:27 -0500 Original-Received: by icule.progiciels-bpi.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA10935; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:06:06 -0500 Original-To: Jason R Mastaler X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m écrit: > > The purpose [...] is to use international dates rather than American > > dates in software meant to be use all around the planet. Software like > > Gnus, say! :-) > This thread never seems to die. Don't worry, this thread will die by itself when the problem would have been have addressed, rather than ignored. > As Johan Danielsson said two months ago when this was last brought up, > "Enough of this now. The way to write dates in mail messages is defined > by RFC822. If anyone want's to change this, just write a new RFC." I quite understand that some people do not even want to hear that there is a problem. There is a problem nevertheless. I do no really know how RFCs are handled, and I presume it is quite an undertaking to produce new ones. Further, not all RFCs get implemented. So, I feel that this lapidary suggestion sounds more like "Get lost!" than a practical one. A few people working in ISO fields exchange letters with me at various occasions, and I happened to read that ISO often prefer making standard out of habits or usages, than forcing new habits through the production of new standards. So I think we should address habits and usages more directly. Standardisation might more easily follow, later. > Why are you still picking on Gnus? Please be kind enough to read the messages you are replying to. I wrote: The purpose [...] [is] to use international dates rather than American dates in software meant to be use all around the planet. Software like Gnus, say! :-) Here, we have an international standard opposing an oldish American standard. Gnus might elect to favour the international standard, instead of standing still until absolutely everyone agrees. Most people know that RFC 822 will never be the driving force for any kind of improvement, as it already did most of its good, and thanks to it, Internet mail now exists. Undoubtly, it was very helpful in its time, but it gets somewhat misused when as an excuse to slash out any further improvement. -- François Pinard mailto:pinard@iro.umontreal.ca Join the free Translation Project! http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard