From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/16030 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Not a timetable Date: 13 Aug 1998 15:44:41 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035154967 25446 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 23:02:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Richard M. Stallman" Return-Path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (gwyn.tux.org [207.96.122.8]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15336 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:23:48 -0700 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA31584 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:17:38 -0400 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAT10185; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:48:10 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:13:39 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14550 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:13:20 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from pluton.rtsq.qc.ca (pluton.grics.qc.ca [199.84.132.10]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18707 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by pluton.rtsq.qc.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id PAA14095; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:45:24 -0400 Original-Received: by icule.progiciels-bpi.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA06177; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:44:42 -0400 Original-To: "(ding)" X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m writes: > "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > > Lars> Since Emacs 20.3 looks like it's going to be usable, and since there > Lars> have been quite a lot of nice things introduced in (X)Emacs 20 over > Lars> (X)Emacs 19 (lisp-wise), pgnus will ditch support for (X)Emacs 19. > > That is a shame. Regardless of FSF Emacs 20.3's usability, it will still > have MULE. That, in and of itself, is a big reason why many will not be > downgrading from 19.34. For a while, pretesting for Emacs 20.3, I have `export EMACS_UNIBYTE=1' in `~/.bash_login', and this makes Emacs pretty usable for me. But I do not have anymore those ultra-nice displays of Asian characters, and *that* is a shame. I do intend to stop using EMACS_UNIBYTE at some time, but given my humble abilities, I just cannot pretest everything at once. All this to say that you should not fear Emacs 20.3. I honestly think it has a lot of features well worth switching away from Emacs 19. If MULE works well, just take it as a gift. If it creates problem, then stick EMACS_UNIBYTE in your environment, until MULE gets fully dependable. -- François Pinard mailto:pinard@iro.umontreal.ca Join the free Translation Project! http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard