From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/25661 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Moving articles destroys all marks Date: 05 Oct 1999 10:41:08 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <7t17ll78hpv.fsf@fly.srk.fer.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035163006 15185 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:16:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07915 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAB24117; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:43:47 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:44:51 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01585 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:44:41 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from jupiter.rtsq.qc.ca (rtsq.grics.qc.ca [199.84.132.81]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07898 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from ariel.progiciels-bpi.ca by jupiter.rtsq.qc.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26854 for <@jupiter.rtsq.qc.ca:ding@gnus.org>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:42:13 -0400 Original-Received: from iro.umontreal.ca (uucp@localhost) by ariel.progiciels-bpi.ca (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI) via UUCP id KAA15275 for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:45:27 -0700 Original-Received: from titan.progiciels-bpi.ca by icule.progiciels-bpi.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01557 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:41:15 -0400 Original-Received: from titan.progiciels-bpi.ca.progiciels-bpi.ca (unknown [199.84.132.86]) by titan.progiciels-bpi.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B4150; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: The Gnus Mailing List X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m I like the simple approach we have now; whatever marks are associated > with the article are preserved across the move. The simplicity is always attractive, granted. For a long while, I've been using Gnus without marking articles as "read" automatically on first visit, preferring to have full control over when I really want an article to disappear out of sight. A very instructive thread on `ding' convinced me to try otherwise, and by now, I'm glad to have made that move. Oh, it is still a little irritating having to `M-u' so often, but yet, overall, there is less typing now. The only drawback, and it was a serious one for me, is how easily I was "loosing" articles while moving them around (and I do move articles a lot :-). Forget to `M-u', and you're done: you even have to fight a bit to recover the article immediately, if you happen to notice your mistake. If you do not notice, you've just lost an article for all practical purposes. A single mistake, you loose more than all the time you saved by the change of paradigm, at least for that day. Better _never_ make mistakes, but that's too much of a pressure for the little me, I am loosing an important part of my comfort. My need is simple: to be sure I do not loose articles while moving them elsewhere. In my case, the automatic reading that comes with opening an article is plain unwelcome when the article has to be sorted elsewhere. My feeling is that this automatic reading should be undone, automatically as much as possible -- so I just cannot forget to do it. Whatever scheme that let me sort articles as I want, and is not error-prone, is acceptable to me. My suggestion to "unread" before moving comes from that need. -- François Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard